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Shiro, Time Devourer
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The Truth either draws people to it longingly, or away from it irrevocably. Either way, it's the people that refuse it, and not the other way round.
That is not what I said. An ad hominem would look like this:Shiro:
...but not only is faith the spirit of stupidity and deception, but those who follow it are even worse? You just said that it's not the ideal, it's the person who is worse of.
Exactly. You know your fault and know that someone else, other than you, will come and solve them. Why? Because you are all divine angels, so helpless and pretty, merely sitting and waiting for the savior to come and lift you up where you belong...Shiro:
We don't hate each other. We just know our faults and know exactly Who will solve them.
What a terrible thing to say.DUke, on page two:
I would burn all the Bibles from the world, all holy books, in fact, and all religious beliefs and disgusting opinions thereof.
We've been trying to do that for millions of years, and our human potential has only sent us further south. Are this life and this world really that good in themselves?From Duke
"And I must admit, if I were a religious person, I would just rather sit down, watch, and do nothing. However, I think that this life is worthy of my attention, much more worthy than another life, why? Because I am living now - I feel, I think, I breathe. I will not dismiss all of this simply because somewhere, some time, somebody said that "God will deliver us." No. We must deliver ourselves.
...and therefore, unlike the religious fools, all those spiritual psychopaths and illusionists who repress their spirit of revenge, I will write more sincerely, I am more honest than them all, because the spirit of revenge is in us all, and I will follow it, and not let some wanna-be God, like Christ, say that I should hold my revenge because God will fight for me. No. I can fight for myself, even if merely with thoughts, still, you have to give me credit because I think as opposed to just sit...like the believers, who sit as they siphon from the world...
...and for them, because they are sitting, I find the believers to be sinners...to be against life...to be all-too-hopeful, therefore, lazy...and I think they are superfluous, needless to life, because they are the disease.
I want them gone. And this is an understatement of the millennium."
I see not a bad thing about this, only reality. But you see, your reality rests in the beyond, in a God, in a Christ, in a Cross, in Angels, in a Muse, in an unrealistic reality. What, is hope bad? Not at all! But to be that hopeful, we call this excess, therefore, sickness. You are showing early symptoms of sickness my dear, you are showing me the comfy chair that you would like to reside in, and let the dust bathe you, for the next few years of your life. That is what I see: I see you sitting with your Yes's and No's, proud...no, all-too-proud, of the person that you have became...but I remind you now, before the future dawns on you - did you become who you are, or do you adapt this, and that...and therefore, you have come to me now, proud with what you call a "thought" and a "self?" Is that who you are? What, you disagree with many? Show me, how are you willing to take your knowledge and inflict it, even if theoratically, upon those whom are misleading, who lie, who act, and who charm? Or am I going too far, assuming that you have a knowledge that stems from within you, not some trace from something and someone without you?Shiro:
This is where DÛke glows eerily, grows a second voice, turns into some blue-skinned hyper-bishounen muse-prince, and sings all who stand in his way into a neverending slumber.
Yeah? And nations are not ruined now? Look at them: struck with everlasting paranoia, extreme fears, all-too-defensive, worried, preoccupied with tools of death...do you call this life? Frankly, I call it it a state lower than death, a state of profound stench that the sensible nose cannot tolerate. Your holy water has been unable to clean much, if I must be truthful. What it has done is invert itself, place itself towards the good and the many, it became like a justification to do things, a ticket, almost like a right. My revenge is not the same revenge of nations. My revenge is against those who are sitting. Those who "protest" for the wrong reasons. Those who "help" the wrong people. Those who pity.Shiro:
You know what unleashing this 'spirit of revenge' does? It's this kind of thinking that ruins great nations.
Many values in life are so easy to digest. You see people licking off whatever leftover dust and webs of some ancient beliefs and traditions. We have to agree at once that accepting the "norm" is so much easier than refuting it, so much easier than rejecting it, ignoring it, dismissing it, and so much easier than, say, going beyond it. If we can agree to this, then we realize that most people know that it is easy, that in order to be alive, they would have to not just go over and beyond, but create; not just hold on to some "opinion," but stand up and say, "this is it," with all confidence. And how hard is that? So, instead, they choose to be living, but not alive.Brenda:
...The fact is that most people are willfully ignorant, and go to great lengths to obscure the truth, and distract themselves from the task of truth seeking. There will always be variations that may catch you off guard but not that will totally stun you. The real issue is whether you accept the fact that most people don't actively seek the truth, and CHOOSE instead to live in a veil of ignorance and silence. That stance does have its privileges.
Good advice, but your word of caution is a year too late. Nevertheless, it is one of few true wisdoms. I like to be burnt, so I will let the flames consume as they desire...Multani:
Remember, vision must be tamed with practicality, lest it consume the one who holds the vision.
My words are carefully chosen. But I guess there is no being too careful. But careful from what? For me to be careful, it suggests that I have something to fear...but I don't. I am willing to face the most punishing death right now. With all honestly, I am not afraid at all. The world is a numbing place, and when one cries too much, when he is pained too much, he becomes numbed to the tears and the pain - one becomes indifferent to those who suffer, indifferent to death. I am too numb, now, to feel a little culturly threat like death or imprisonment...the fear seems to have died somewhere along the way...Multani:
Choose your words carefully, and do not be so overwhelmed by your need to share YOUR truths, your wisdom, that you express things you do not wish to express, and unleash unpleasant consequences for your words.
You mis-interpreted my words to an extent. I am not encouraging the concept of Jesus Christ in any way. I am not acknowledging Christianity in anyway. I'm not even attempting to infer or reference it in anyway. Jesus was not the only messiah; there were others before him, and there have been and will be many after him. I'm simply pointing that in a way, DUke is very much acting like a messiah does...someone with a radical new message. And for your information, I don't think we need ANY messiah whatsoever. And again, we all know what happens to people who are consumed by their own vision...Multani's right. We only need one Messiah, and his job was processed long ago. ^_^
So you're really willing to go that far out? Perhaps my words of caution were wasted. But it seems, that you have already decided to become a martyr to your beliefs. Personally, I think such a decision is foolish, but it is your choice to make and I have nothing more to say. All I know is that, if you do die or are imprisoned for your ideas, it will be a pointless torture and you will have gained nothing...indeed your ideas may die with you. I am not so optimistic to think that anything good would come out of your death or imprisonment, in respect toward your ideas.My words are carefully chosen. But I guess there is no being too careful. But careful from what? For me to be careful, it suggests that I have something to fear...but I don't. I am willing to face the most punishing death right now. With all honestly, I am not afraid at all. The world is a numbing place, and when one cries too much, when he is pained too much, he becomes numbed to the tears and the pain - one becomes indifferent to those who suffer, indifferent to death. I am too numb, now, to feel a little culturly threat like death or imprisonment...the fear seems to have died somewhere along the way...