...Zadok, obviously and sadly, you have not been reading my posts clearly, or have not focused greatly on what I have been saying.
Zadok:
You're saying that banning him won't do us any good. I've got something that won't do us any good, and that's letting him off.
Explain the purpose behind your action in the Trading Forum. Is that not enough security to guarantee the limitation, if not the extinction, of further bad trades?
More even, I have clearly stated that when you give him the time limit I requested, after that, you can ban him, and I will agree with you 307%. That does not necessarily mean I have to agree that banning will help. In fact, in my opinion, I don't think banning him will help...but I do agree with you on banning him since it would make members happy here. All that was said before, but you're questioning me now? <Sigh with a hopeful grin>
Zadok:
...He'll simply come back, and do it again, because he ALMOST got away with it last time.
"Simply" come back? Now that's...not right. How can he just "simply" come back and trade when you've already taken the action of listing the bad traders in the Trading Forum? Don't you think he'll have a hard time, first having to create a new user handle, followed by a new email account, and then, he'll even have to make a new address to where the cards are sent to -- how is that possible? Unless you perceive him as a mastermind or a prodigy -- and from the way he acts, I'd feel sorry for all those that perceive him that way...
Zadok:
But that doesn't mean he won't continue to TRY. He may someday run across a new member who wasn't there for this discussion, and rip off that member.
If I'm stupid enough not to read the bad traders list in the Trading Forum, than I deserve to be ripped off, if not murdered. You have clearly pointed out the bad traders, or the traders that make it a pain dealing with. Any trader attempting to trade without consulting that list is unworthy of our attention, and certain not worthy of the time you have spent making that list, and the time to come updating and/or organizing that list...
Now for my favorite...
Zadok:
The problem is, you aren't really making logical sense here. You're basically telling us that we were wrong to give him the two months he's had, and in the same breath, telling us to give him two extra weeks.
Basically, I never told you were wrong for "giving him two months." I told you were wrong because if you *really* wanted to ban him in the first place, than you should have simply banned the guy. That simple. Further more, if you really wanted him banned, there should have been no discussion with other moderators and adminstrators, like you stated before. Why discuss anything when you think he's to be banned no matter what? He should have been banned months ago. Then, he should have been as soon as he returned, not giving a chance for any discussion. But you have given the chance...
If you're willing to give the time, I'm sure 2 weeks isn't much of a big deal, especially seeing how 1 week is already almost over. What I have clearly repeated in my posts over and over again is that giving 2 last weeks will not be a problem at all. First, it would give Riva a chance to think about it, or at least, feel guiltier about his action, and second, it may just change him. This is the *only* time where the discussion about Riva is really heated -- it's a good chance from him to think about all this and come clean. The other times, it was simply shoot-and-run. All that said, I clearly, clearly, clearly stated, that after the 2 weeks period (now 1 week), you can ban him, and I would agree with you 307% on such banning. Does that mean I think it would help banning him? Honestly, no. I've already outlined my reasoning for why banning him will not help the least…but I agree on banning him nonetheless…
You've given him 1 week already.
You can ban him now...
...or you can give him an additional week, since there is 1% chance he maybe sane, and come clean.
After that, you're free to do whatever you want, with me agreeing 307% on any action you may take. Again, I agree with the banning, but I don't think it will help. That easy, and that simple…
<Even a bigger enigmatic grin>