Ransac - I think it's funny that you are so convinced that I am the Vampire, but that you also insist that the Vampire wins if we dunk you tonight. There are at most 2 minions at the moment. No one has really said what happens in the case of a tie, but if we dunk you and you are the cleric as you claim, there will then be 3 minions, plus the vampire, who would all have to agree on who to dunk just to get a draw vote. Mooseman - what would happen in that case? Regardless, if I am indeed a vampire as you claim, the villagers probably win, but I guess it does matter what happens in the event of a tie. So why would you use a panic tactic? Now, suppose Ransac isn't the cleric for a moment. Spiderman - to address your question, if I come forward and say that I'm really the cleric, it pretty much just seems like a desperate attempt to save my skin, doesn't it? But consider for a moment if it's true. If we end up tossing a villager into the pool, then we are pretty much do or die. So, I propose we throw Ransac in. Here me out. If we accept that I'm either the cleric or the vampire and that Ransac is either the cleric or a minion, then what makes the most sense. If you throw me in first and I turn out to be the vampire as Ransac claims, the villagers win instantly. However, if I turn out to be the cleric, it's suddenly do or die to find the vampire with nothing to go on but that it's not either Ransac or sageridder. On the other hand, if we throw Ransac in first and he turns out to be the cleric as he suggests, then you still have enough villagers to toss me in tomorrow and the villagers win. However, if he is a minion, then you've spared your cleric (me) and kept the minion count down. Is it so odd that I've changed my tune Ransac? I simply realized that as long as everyone was believing your story, I was going to get thrown in regardless. Very well played, BTW. As such, it occurred to me that there might be a way out that makes good sense and keeps the villagers with a chance.