The Border Laws!

[Mooseman]

HUH!? I friggin' grew up on the South Side of the 'Burgh and there ain't nothin' but Polocks, Ukranians and Irish there, and thay were ALL illegal, the whole LOT of them!

,...but the girls were cute

All yinz illegal guys from the southside are always trying to cross over to the northside......... PNC Park ain't got no more good paying jobs, cuz to many southside illegals are willing to work for free Bucco tickets and chipped ham samiches........

Only the girls wearing the babushkas are cute........

 

[Killer Joe]

Really, though, when I was a kid back when there were still steel mills in town you could walk down the street and hear many, many different languages of the steelworkers many of whom were in this country but not citizens and the economy boomed, like it is now

 

[Mooseman]

Really, though, when I was a kid back when there were still steel mills in town you could walk down the street and hear many, many different languages of the steelworkers many of whom were in this country but not citizens and the economy boomed, like it is now

Booming? As in blowing up?

 

[Killer Joe]

I meant bombing

 

[Oversoul]

As in blown up?

 

[Ransac]

BOOM! BOOM BOOM!!!!!! Blow up that economy!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pieces of economy flying everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry..... habitual tendencies....


Ransac, cpa trash man

 

[evan d]

i'm sorry, but i refuse to acknowledge the concept, "they are taking all the jobs". With all realisticness, in a society without welfare, everyone will have a job. Where or not it is the best job, they will have one. Mexicans can't take up all the jobs, as they must then spend that money that they earn. Mexicans can however take the job you want. If you prefer a check in the mail to picking up dog oink, thats what will happen. There is allways a job for any person, accept teh extremely disabled. They might just not want to take it. If my legs were amputated, i could write a book, start a website, or get a check. I don't think its a problem with illegal immigration, but with taxes and welfare. There is allways a job, if you are willing to do it.

The excuse about start up money is bogus too. Have you ever seen the books on government welfare or loans from companies. There is money for anyone, especially for a non-white, non-male. Heck, they could even be drug smuglers and still be doing something(if at least not nessacerially good).

 

[Mooseman]

Evan,
Some of what you say is true: Welfare doesn't help those who work at low paying jobs, only those who don't work. Definate problem there.

But, you could write a book that doesn't sell and make a website that no one goes to......

The big problem with Illeagal aliens is that they are breaking the law and now stand to be rewarded for it. That is wrong.
Also, are you willing to do your job, whatever it is, for half of what you get paid now, just because some illegal alien is willing to do it for that much?


I just saw a story that the US government is deporting illegal aliens within days instead of months or years. This will make some of those who are unwilling to work in their own country, stay there and give it a try.

BTW - not all illegal aliens in the US are Mexicans and none of them deserve to stay here. Maybe the US immigration system needs to be improved, but then how many Americans are try to illegally enter other countries? I wonder why?

 

[DarthFerret]

Was anyone affected by this national "Mexican Econimic Strike" thing? As I said, I work at a Mexican Restaurant, and none of them participated in that thing on Monday. They all showed up for work, but my father-in-law said his company fired several yesterday for not showing up for work.

 

[Spiderman]

BTW - not all illegal aliens in the US are Mexicans and none of them deserve to stay here. Maybe the US immigration system needs to be improved, but then how many Americans are try to illegally enter other countries? I wonder why?

Because they'd work for less? Whereas here, although YOU might scoff at $4 and hour, that's probably double of what they'd make back home.

If a country ever passes the US in standard of living, I bet you'd see some Americans try to illegally immigrate.

 

[Oversoul]

Because they'd work for less? Whereas here, although YOU might scoff at $4 and hour, that's probably double of what they'd make back home.

If a country ever passes the US in standard of living, I bet you'd see some Americans try to illegally immigrate.

It depends on how you define standard of living, but some countries are already past the US (by most measuring sticks for "standard of living" that I hear about, anyway)...

 

[Spiderman]

I would agree, but what countries and what measuring stick is being used?

 

[Oversoul]

Average income per person, life expectancy, infant mortality, or the ratio of some commodity to the population (doctors per 100,000 people, television sets per household, etc.) are the ones that come to mind and the ones I think I've seen the most often. I suspect I'm leaving several other things out.

I think Luxembourg (for example) has us beat in some of those categories...

 

[evan d]

yes, that me be, but luxemburg is unrealistic, as it hardly excists
it is so small, that you could create that standard by a relative few extremes, as compared to ameica with its 300k+ population
imagine if one person in luxemburg had 1 million tvs, wouldn't that throw the average off

 

[Oversoul]

yes, that me be, but luxemburg is unrealistic, as it hardly excists

I don't know where to begin with this notion. It's ridiculous, but that's understating the problem.

OF COURSE LUXEMBOURG EXISTS!

Just because you happen to live in one of the four countries in the world with more than 200,000,000 people doesn't mean other countries don't exist. Most countries are A LOT smaller than the United States.

Now, it is legitimate to point out that maintaining a very high standard of living in a rather small (but totally extant) country is not the same as maintaining a high standard of living in a massive country. But that wasn't really what we were talking about. And there are some more medium-sized countries with high standards of living, like Canada.

it is so small, that you could create that standard by a relative few extremes, as compared to ameica with its 300k+ population
imagine if one person in luxemburg had 1 million tvs, wouldn't that throw the average off

It would make the mean very high, but I'm guessing (I don't care to find a statistic to back it up) that Luxembourg would still have us beat if the median were used instead, and possibly have us beat by even more.

Also, having a million television sets is ridiculous. Imagine if one person in the United States had a billion television sets. Wouldn't that throw the average off? Yes, of course, but it's a moot point.

Also, we don't have a "300k+ population." That would be 300 thousand. We have more like 298 million.

 

[evan d]

well, the part about luxemberg excisting was a joke, but seriously, I think delaware could occupy it in less than a month, then its just a colony of delaware (i'm not sure if thats even constitutionaly legal).

hey though, is freedom a measuring stick? Then I think americas position just got a lot more complicated. If the quality of living is your own Darn fault, then what complaints can there be. You live as well as you provide for your living (well, this is all in theory any way, as in practice you can get anyone (or governemnt) to carry you, just need to be different in some way like race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, tax bracket, country of origin, or even profession (explain to me how paying people to do nothing and to grow nothing makes sense, that darn socailist)).Whats really to blame if I like living on a street, but got a job and decided to live in a house.

 

[Oversoul]

hey though, is freedom a measuring stick? Then I think americas position just got a lot more complicated. If the quality of living is your own Darn fault, then what complaints can there be. You live as well as you provide for your living (well, this is all in theory any way, as in practice you can get anyone (or governemnt) to carry you, just need to be different in some way like race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, tax bracket, country of origin, or even profession (explain to me how paying people to do nothing and to grow nothing makes sense, that darn socailist)).Whats really to blame if I like living on a street, but got a job and decided to live in a house.

This reads more like an "Evan D dislikes socialism" than an actual point. If you want to use "freedom" to define standard of living, you have to first define it. Good luck with that.

 

[Spiderman]

Average income per person, life expectancy, infant mortality, or the ratio of some commodity to the population (doctors per 100,000 people, television sets per household, etc.) are the ones that come to mind and the ones I think I've seen the most often. I suspect I'm leaving several other things out.

I think Luxembourg (for example) has us beat in some of those categories...

I'd go with those... I guess hard numbers are next.

 

[Oversoul]

Hard numbers?

 

[Spiderman]

You know, using that criteria, actually finding out whether Luxemburg or other countries beat the US in those categories; i.e. the US has $20,000 average income while <country> has $55,000 average income, etc.