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train

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There are limitations as to what they could sue for and actually go to trial on...

now - if a person was writing on the cards to determine whether the "written" cards needed to be purchased for a deck - aka he liked the way it playtested... - no one would argue anything...
 
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mythosx

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Originally posted by Oversoul
On what grounds would they sue him? He wasn't trying to sell it or claim it as his own. He just wrote it down. If I copy down, by hand, an entire novel, it's still legal as far as I know. Now, if I sell it, that's different...

Plus they wouldn't be able to prove that he wrote the words himself, well, they might, but then again, maybe not...
Actually, Its not legal to copy down novels by hand. Duplication of media which you don't own the rights to is illegal. Books are a form of media just like everything else. No one would pursue it though cuz they wouldn't get much out of you...cept the cost of the book.

Train is write in the fact that there are limitations. They would need to prove loss of profit. Which they could probably only limit to buying one pack per rare. Basically, I'm thinking worst case scenario, they could sue for what? 50 bucks in small claims court, and then have to pay thier army of Lawyers what? 30x500 bucks an hour.. Not worth it. They could argue the use of playtesting and legally win. However, its not likely to happen considering the cost, effort, time to pursue such legal actions.
 

Spiderman

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I seem to remember that you CAN own copies of certain media, such as novels, tapes, software maybe... something to do with "use of common <something>". There are restrictions, such as either just one copy or can't sell for self-profit or whatever. The lines have been blurred with recent developments in technology concerning fast DVD and CD burning and e-books, but for older stuff like novels and tapes, it was considered too time consuming on the part of the copiest to worry about it too much. Now it's a bit more important....
 
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train

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I want to say there's a statute that determines the amount of time an item's attributes are protected - unless pursued by the right's hodlers ot extend the statute...

I don't remember how many years though...

That's why some older songs can be re-made in music scenes nowadays without getting into legal troubles - granted some have permission to do so - but not all do...
 

Spiderman

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It might be the same thing as general copyrights(?) going into public domain, like the Disney characters... which was 70 years before Congress extended it.
 
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train

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There's something like that for music and books... and most of the laws include exceptions for "educational" purposes, but don't allow for unauthorized distribution...

we had a lot of that in architecture - but we were only charged the cost of production for the "copied manuals" and no profit was made...
 
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mythosx

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something like that. Isn't the new copyright length 99 years? I think Disney was the biggest proponent of that cuz thier IP is thier product.
 

Spiderman

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Something like that. Disney of course wanted to protect their mouse symbol...

But it probably varies between different formats. Like train said, it seems you can use music that's more "recent" (younger than 70 or 99 or whatever the number is) as opposed to what Mickey Mouse represents.
 

Oversoul

The Tentacled One
Well, Disney has a lot of money and has had their statute extended more than once I think...

Most people can't pay to do that, or don't even need to...
 

Spiderman

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True, just similiar companies who have similiar products, like Loony Toons (maybe the comic industry too).
 
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train

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here we go:

HOW LONG COPYRIGHT PROTECTION ENDURES
Works Originally Created on or after January 1, 1978
A work that is created (fixed in tangible form for the first time) on or after January 1, 1978, is automatically protected from the moment of its creation and is ordinarily given a term enduring for the author's life plus an additional 70 years after the author's death. In the case of "a joint work prepared by two or more authors who did not work for hire," the term lasts for 70 years after the last surviving author's death. For works made for hire, and for anonymous and pseudonymous works (unless the author's identity is revealed in Copyright Office records), the duration of copyright will be 95 years from publication or 120 years from creation, whichever is shorter.

Works Originally Created before January 1, 1978, But Not Published or Registered by That Date
These works have been automatically brought under the statute and are now given federal copyright protection. The duration of copyright in these works will generally be computed in the same way as for works created on or after January 1, 1978: the life-plus-70 or 95/120-year terms will apply to them as well. The law provides that in no case will the term of copyright for works in this category expire before December 31, 2002, and for works published on or before December 31, 2002, the term of copyright will not expire before December 31, 2047.

Works Originally Created and Published or Registered before January 1, 1978
Under the law in effect before 1978, copyright was secured either on the date a work was published with a copyright notice or on the date of registration if the work was registered in unpublished form. In either case, the copyright endured for a first term of 28 years from the date it was secured. During the last (28th) year of the first term, the copyright was eligible for renewal. The Copyright Act of 1976 extended the renewal term from 28 to 47 years for copyrights that were subsisting on January 1, 1978, or for pre-1978 copyrights restored under the Uruguay Round Agreements Act (URAA), making these works eligible for a total term of protection of 75 years. Public Law 105-298, enacted on October 27, 1998, further extended the renewal term of copyrights still subsisting on that date by an additional 20 years, providing for a renewal term of 67 years and a total term of protection of 95 years.

Public Law 102-307, enacted on June 26, 1992, amended the 1976 Copyright Act to provide for automatic renewal of the term of copyrights secured between January 1, 1964, and December 31, 1977. Although the renewal term is automatically provided, the Copyright Office does not issue a renewal certificate for these works unless a renewal application and fee are received and registered in the Copyright Office.

Public Law 102-307 makes renewal registration optional. Thus, filing for renewal registration is no longer required in order to extend the original 28-year copyright term to the full 95 years. However, some benefits accrue from making a renewal registration during the 28th year of the original term.

For more detailed information on renewal of copyright and the copyright term, request Circular 15, "Renewal of Copyright"; Circular 15a, "Duration of Copyright"; and Circular 15t, "Extension of Copyright Terms."


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TRANSFER OF COPYRIGHT
Any or all of the copyright owner's exclusive rights or any subdivision of those rights may be transferred, but the transfer of exclusive rights is not valid unless that transfer is in writing and signed by the owner of the rights conveyed or such owner's duly authorized agent. Transfer of a right on a nonexclusive basis does not require a written agreement.

A copyright may also be conveyed by operation of law and may be bequeathed by will or pass as personal property by the applicable laws of intestate succession.

Copyright is a personal property right, and it is subject to the various state laws and regulations that govern the ownership, inheritance, or transfer of personal property as well as terms of contracts or conduct of business. For information about relevant state laws, consult an attorney.

Transfers of copyright are normally made by contract. The Copyright Office does not have any forms for such transfers. The law does provide for the recordation in the Copyright Office of transfers of copyright ownership. Although recordation is not required to make a valid transfer between the parties, it does provide certain legal advantages and may be required to validate the transfer as against third parties. For information on recordation of transfers and other documents related to copyright, request Circular 12, "Recordation of Transfers and Other Documents."

Termination of Transfers
Under the previous law, the copyright in a work reverted to the author, if living, or if the author was not living, to other specified beneficiaries, provided a renewal claim was registered in the 28th year of the original term.* The present law drops the renewal feature except for works already in the first term of statutory protection when the present law took effect. Instead, the present law permits termination of a grant of rights after 35 years under certain conditions by serving written notice on the transferee within specified time limits.

*The copyright in works eligible for renewal on or after June 26, 1992, will vest in the name of the renewal claimant on the effective date of any renewal registration made during the 28th year of the original term. Otherwise, the renewal copyright will vest in the party entitled to claim renewal as of December 31st of the 28th year.

For works already under statutory copyright protection before 1978, the present law provides a similar right of termination covering the newly added years that extended the former maximum term of the copyright from 56 to 95 years. For further information, request Circulars 15a and 15t.
 
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chocobo_cid

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So magic still has a ways to go yet before the copyright is voided.

:D
 

Spiderman

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Staff member
Oh yeah... plus, didn't they copyright the general mechanics of trading card games (at least with respect to Magic)? So that will last a while too...
 
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chocobo_cid

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Viva la revolution!

We shall be unshackled from the opressions forced upon us by the capitalist pigs! Our cause shall ring from the rooftops and sing in the hearts of every child! We will fight back to get our future!

Viva la revolution!

...


You only think that I'm joking.
 
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mythosx

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Don't get yourself wound up... Capitalism is truly a self destructive engine. Marx is right. We are headed towards communism and it isn't a bad thing. Oops this might get this thread sent to the political section.
 
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Reverend Love

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Originally posted by mythosx
Don't get yourself wound up... Capitalism is truly a self destructive engine. Marx is right. We are headed towards communism and it isn't a bad thing. Oops this might get this thread sent to the political section.
This is worthy of the rarely seen :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
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