Cantrip?

Discussion in 'General CPA Stuff' started by SerraPlainswalker, Aug 5, 2000.

  1. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    the stuff you miss when your server goes down at work for the day... :(

    First, I disagree with the classification of Icatian Moneychanger. I don't think he's a cantrip (and let's see if I can explain it)... usually the "traditional" cantrips maintain a one-to-one type ratio when giving back the resource... and give it back ONE time (you don't get a choice of when you get a card (or more) back; same with the mana guys). With IM though, you DON'T get three life back at once at a specified time AND you can build up to get more. Using my (probably faulty) logic, the same goes for Time Vault; though technically you give up a turn to take a turn, it's at your choosing, not a pre-determined point in the game.

    Whew! Also, Zadok, I take up your challenge because I KNOW :))) that Ancestral Recall is part of the 3-1 cycle and it was originally a common also while playtesting Alpha and got bumped to rare just because the card-drawing ability was too strong even in the limited group WOTC was dealing with back then. It's in the first 10 (probably the first 5) Duelists in an article with Dr. Garfield himself and I will attempt to look it up either tonight or online (if WOTC keeps archives). What do I get if I win? (or conversely, what do you get if I lose?) :D
  2. SerraPlainswalker New Member

    ya, recall was one of the cycle...if you would care for more recent proof...read the newest issue of inquest, it has a list of (in their opinion) the top 100 cards of all time...they ranked the recall as numero uno and told about how it was part of the cycle and WAS originally a common, but as spiderman said was changed to a rare because it was too powerful
  3. Mundungu grumpier than ever

    Another "broken" cycle with rarity change :

    the tutors
    all uncommon but for the black, more powerfull but with extra cost and changed rarity.

    Still a cycle though ...

    my 0,02$
  4. DÛke Memento Mori

    Unstable Mutation and Giant Growth are ALMOST the same thing. I don't see any better replacement for Unstable Mutation.

    Istanbul, yes, I know I'm going into another 'realm' or whatever, but, how would you like it if they ban your Counterspells? I'm sure you would be mad...
  5. Istanbul Sucker MCs call me sire.

    I certainly would. But you have to understand that without countermagic, blue becomes far and away the weakest color, to the point that nobody would play it.
    If all you took away from black was Dark Ritual, it would still be quite playable. (Trust me. I HAVE an exceptionally lethal Extended black deck that doesn't run a single Ritual.)
  6. DÛke Memento Mori

    Trust me. I HAVE an exceptionally lethal Extended blue deck that doesn't run a single counter.
  7. Istanbul Sucker MCs call me sire.

    I'd love to see a decklist.
  8. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    Warning: This is fairly long.

    This is an excerpt from Card Spotlight from Duelist #8, written by Chris Page (hopefully we all know who he is and he qualifies as an "official" source"?). It extols the virtues of Giant Growth but the beginning paragraphs have the relevant information. There's also some neat trivia stuff in here such as What was Ancestral Recall's original name? This issue was printed December 1995, about half a year after Ice Age came out (slightly relevant later).

    Thus I quote:

    That's it. Interesting insights there. If you can't find this online and need a hard copy, I'd be happy to mail it to you.
  9. DÛke Memento Mori

    Don't you believe me Istan?
    Well, here:

    Twister:
    4x Anscetral Recall
    4x Time Walk
    4x Time Twister
    4x Psionic Blast
    4x Lighting Bolt
    4x Wheel of Fortune
    4x Black Lotus
    4x Mox Ruby
    4x Mox Sapphire
    4x Volcanic Island
    4x City of Brass
    9x Island
    7x Mountain

    THERE!
    :)
  10. Ed Sullivan CPA Founder, Web Guy

  11. nodnarb24 Supreme Overlord/The Rat King

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    Duke that is not an extended deck. All of those cards are banned in extended except for the land.
  12. Istanbul Sucker MCs call me sire.

    Actually, that deck isn't legal in any format; it's LITTERED with Restricted cards.

    And there's no WAY you have that deck, Duke. I'm saying that I literally *have* the deck I discussed. As in, I'm holding it in my left hand right now.
  13. nodnarb24 Supreme Overlord/The Rat King

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    It is the most illegal deck i have seen
  14. DÛke Memento Mori

    You couldn't wait until you get me, couldn't you Istanbul? :)
    Anyway, did I EVEN mention it was an extended deck? NOPE :)

    AND by the way, I DO have the deck. That's right, I have every card you see in there...so shut the hell up Istanbul :(
    OK, I'm just jokin here, don't even think about flaming me, I'M JUST joking :) Ok, NO, I don't have the deck. I don't think anyone does, but seriously, I do have a good blue deck that doesn't use any countermagic. :)
  15. nodnarb24 Supreme Overlord/The Rat King

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    Yes you did say that was your deck. In your previous post to the deck list you said "I HAVE an exceptionally lethal EXTENTED blue deck that doesn't run a single counter." Then istanbul ask to see a deck list. THen you posted a deck list saying "Don't you believe me Istan? Well, here...(deck list)...THERE!" By saying that you implied that that was the deck list to your Extended blue deck.
  16. DÛke Memento Mori

    Oooops, then you can slap me now for being stupid :)
    Well, I do have a good blue deck that doesn't use countermagic and it's T2...

    Here:

    Black:
    4x Duress
    4x Stupor
    Blue:
    4x Soothsaying
    4x Fog Bank
    4x Wartax
    3x Energy Field
    2x Hoodwink
    2x Morphling
    1x Palinchron
    Artifacts:
    4x Ring of Gix
    4x Sky Diamond
    Lands:
    4x City of Brass
    5x Swamp
    15x Island

    Here, does that look good? :)
  17. nodnarb24 Supreme Overlord/The Rat King

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    Now that looks legal. It also looks like a good deck
  18. DÛke Memento Mori

    Duh! It is a good deck, and it could win too.
    Remember now, I'm only using T2 cards, god KNOWS what I can do with extended. See Istan, you don't have to be so...so...so..I don't know, I don't think there's a word for you yet, maybe there is, but I don't think it's created yet. Could I call you Psycammar? Naaaaaah, I call Casey that. I think I'll call you "Flamanaich"! Is that cool with you Istanbul? Ok, I'll just call you that then :)
    NO OFFENSE :) If you know what I(or that word) means :)
    Muaaaaaaaa haaaaaa haaaaaaaaa :)
  19. Istanbul Sucker MCs call me sire.

    Sorry! Still doesn't work.

    You said you had an Extended blue deck that won a lot.
    Not only is that T2 and black/blue, but I can't imagine it winning against rebels, LD, or many of the other decks out there.
  20. DÛke Memento Mori

    Ok, so what!
    I lied, I don't have a fully extended deck! So kill me now :)
    But come on, you would be pissed if they ban Counter Spell, wouldn't you?

    And trust me, I could build a pretty good Extended Mono Blue deck that doesn't use counter magic.

    Istanbul, you are telling me that blue wouldn't exist without magic?
    I don't think so. It's like saying black wouldn't exist without discard, and you know that's not true.

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