ByoS: Build your own Standard

Discussion in 'Games Run By CPA Members' started by BigBlue, Mar 12, 2009.

  1. Ransac CPA Trash Man

    Hear, hear!

    Ransac, cpa trash man
  2. Modus Pwnens Eligible for User Title

    Fair enough, if nobody posts any objections, the following cards will be banned from our Standard:

    -Balance
    -Black Vise
    -Channel
    -Demonic Tutor
    -Earthcraft
    -Fastbond
    -Frantic Search
    -Goblin Recruiter
    -Grim Monolith
    -Gush
    -Mana Vault
    -Memory Jar
    -Mind Twist
    -Mind's Desire
    -Sol Ring
    -Tinker
    -Vampiric Tutor
    -Wheel of Fortune

    *Modus goes back to the drawing board, muttering things about turn 3 Possessed Portal*
  3. Melkor Active Member

    This is fine with me
  4. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    You'll see the bearing when you find the definition of a "standalone".

    Sure, since you apparently keep repeating faulty logic in response.

    "Modern block system" and "standalone vs expansions" are separate issues. And the latter is what we're discussing (unless we're both totally off-base with THAT)

    Disenchant was an *example*. I used it because it showed up in at least the three first standalones: Ice Age, Mirage, and Tempest.

    Anyhoo, what's the big deal about posting decklists? I mean, I'll do what the group decides, but this whole forum game thing is based on honesty anyway - posting decklists seems like a minor afterthought, really.

    I'm fine with whatever everyone decides as the Banned and/or Restricted List as I don't have enough knowledge about what makes a good list anyways, aside from obvious power cards like most listed already.
  5. Modus Pwnens Eligible for User Title

    The thing about posting decklist is unrelated to honesty, I just have a few cards that will most likely cause you to play differently if you know I have them. Then again, should the majority decide that decklists should be made public before the beginning of the first round, so be it. But either it'll be before the first round, or pm'ed to a neutral person and posted after the Round Robin. Revealing them in between would be unfair, obviously.

    Anyhow, with the banlist in place, I'm ready to rumble, who's gonna make a pairing? :D
  6. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    Oh. So if not about honesty, what's it about? Just to see what others are playing? I would have thought that can be done after the "tournament" is over... :confused:
  7. Ransac CPA Trash Man

    How many people have their decklists? I still have to design mine.

    As far as pairing is concerned, why not just use the set selection order.

    1.Spiderman
    2.DarthFerret
    3.Oversoul
    4.Al0ysiusHWWW
    5.Ransac
    6.Melkor
    7.BigBlue
    8.Modus

    This would make the first round matchups:

    1. Spiderman vs. 8. Modus Pwnens
    2. DarthFerret vs 7. BigBlue
    3. Oversoul vs. 6. Melkor
    4. Al0ysiusHWWW vs. 5. Ransac

    eh?

    Ransac, cpa trash man
  8. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    I still need to build mine, as I've obviously just got on today to see the final sets in the Standard format we're using :)

    Those pairing sound fine. So if we're doing round robin, my next opponents are 7, 6, 5, etc?
  9. Modus Pwnens Eligible for User Title

    I'll see if I can make something work for 7 rounds:

    Round 1(Cross)
    1. Spiderman vs. 8. Modus Pwnens
    2. DarthFerret vs 7. BigBlue
    3. Oversoul vs. 6. Melkor
    4. Al0ysiusHWWW vs. 5. Ransac

    Round 2
    1. Spiderman vs 7. BigBlue
    2. DarthFerret vs. 6. Melkor
    3. Oversoul vs. 5. Ransac
    4. Al0ysiusHWWW vs. 8 Modus

    Round 3
    1. Spiderman vs 6. Melkor
    2. DarthFerret vs. 5 Ransac
    3. Oversoul vs. 4. Al0ysiusHWWW
    7. BigBlue vs. 8 Modus

    Round 4
    1. Spiderman vs 5. Ransac
    2. DarthFerret vs 4. Al0ysiusHWWW
    3. Oversoul vs 8. Modus
    6. Melkor vs 7. BigBlue

    Round 5
    1. Spiderman vs 4. Al0ysiusHWWW
    2. DarthFerret vs 3. Oversoul
    5. Ransac vs 7. BigBlue
    6. Melkor vs 8. Modus

    Round 6
    1. Spiderman vs 3. Oversoul
    2. DarthFerret vs 8. Modus
    4. Al0ysiusHWWW vs 7. BigBlue
    5. Ransac vs 6. Melkor

    Round 7
    1. Spiderman vs 2. DarthFerret
    3. Oversoul vs 7. BigBlue
    4. Al0ysiusHWWW vs. 6 Melkor
    5. Ransac vs 8. Modus

    I believe these would result in a round Robin, but if you find any bugs, someone will probably have to redo it :)
  10. Al0ysiusHWWW It's Good to Rock Out

    I'll probably be ready by the afternoon. I just want to work a few kinks out.
  11. Modus Pwnens Eligible for User Title

    I still have to build my deck as well, but in principle I'm ready to start.. I'll create our topic Spidey, ready whenever you are..

    Edit: If we're gonna publish decklists, we make a decision rather fast..
  12. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    I say no to decklists...

    And you'll have to give me a couple of days Modus...
  13. BigBlue Magic Jones

    I haven't even looked over cardlists yet...

    Sheesh.

    I guess I need to bring a tournament style deck as opposed to a casual deck...

    I can't tell you the last time I constructed any deck, let alone a tourney level one.
  14. BigBlue Magic Jones

    I don't mean to be obtuse...

    But, what exactly is the banned list now? I've seen 2-3 versions here... I thought we were using Oversoul's list... But now Modus has a list...

    Before I start building a deck, I need to know.

    Edit - Nevermind... Modus listed all the cards from Oversoul's list which were actually included in our standard...

    Except for the ante cards:

    Contract from Below, Darkpact, Demonic Attorney I'm assuming we aren't using ante since it makes decks illegal when they lose a card...
  15. Al0ysiusHWWW It's Good to Rock Out

    If we're cutting ante cards, I'm going to need a lot more time to work on my deck.:D
  16. Oversoul The Tentacled One

    Is it in the Spiderman Dictionary of Magic: the Gathering terms? Because really, the only use I can remember hearing for "standalone" in Magic was a for an expansion set that isn't added onto a cycle of sets. So Tempest would be a standalone, but Stronghold would not. Legends would be a standalone.

    What faulty logic?

    This implies that standalones are not expansions. While it's clear that not all expansions are standalones, all standalones are expansions. I just realized maybe you didn't think so, but the whole reason I say they are is that I've read stuff produced by WotC that uses the term "expansion" in that way. For example, the first sentence of this little booklet that came with all Urza's Saga precons reads, "The Urza's Saga expansion features new creatures, artifacts, and spells that add excitement and diversity to your game."

    I get that. My point is that using staples like that doesn't produce a clear boundary as far as I can tell. That doesn't necessarily mean it doesn't work, but there would need to be more to it, I guess.

    I don't really care one way or the other. I guess we aren't doing the posting decklists before the tournament thing? I mean, some people have already started their games. Way to make the rest of us look bad, guys. I have no idea what to play.

    Good catch. The real banned list, then, is...

    -Balance
    -Black Vise
    -Channel
    -Contract from Below
    -Darkpact
    -Demonic Attorney
    -Demonic Tutor
    -Earthcraft
    -Fastbond
    -Frantic Search
    -Goblin Recruiter
    -Grim Monolith
    -Gush
    -Mana Vault
    -Memory Jar
    -Mind Twist
    -Mind's Desire
    -Sol Ring
    -Tinker
    -Vampiric Tutor
    -Wheel of Fortune
  17. BigBlue Magic Jones

    Whilst starting to deckbuild... this is a weird format... Not quite everything I want is available. :)

    I've got 2 partial decks so far, I'll have to flesh them out and see how they work.
  18. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    I disagree. Now that I think about it, I think "standalone" means basic lands are included with the set (barring Arabian Nights, where the Mt was already declared a mistake). Thus, Legends is not a standalone.

    That a big set means it's a standalone

    *That* I agree with.

    Right. And my point was while those were example, indeed, there was more to it. Like lands being included, now that I've thought about it.

    That was actually to everyone. But no one's started to play with; only Modus and I have a thread up, but we haven't started.
  19. Oversoul The Tentacled One

    Ah, well, that's pretty clear. I think we both agree that Legends doesn't have basic lands. I'm completely unfamiliar with this as the criterion, though.

    Firstly, that isn't faulty logic. For example, let's put it into a syllogism...

    1: All non-core sets with over 250 cards are standalones.
    2: Legends has over 250 cards.
    3: Legends is a standalone.

    You wouldn't be saying that there's a logical flaw. You'd be disagreeing with one of the premises (the first one).

    Secondly, I wasn't actually making assertions about what sets are standalones. It might have seemed like I was, but what I was actually doing was stating that, for the purposes of a "ByoS" game, Legends should be grouped with the other sets it has something in common with (being large) that matters for the purposes of generating a cardpool, rather than with other sets it is dissimilar to in that regard. Whether it actually counts as a standalone for denotative purposes depends on the criteria used to determine "standalone."
  20. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    <shrug> It's the common theme through any of the expansions that are also denoted as "standalones".

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