ByoS: Build your own Standard

Discussion in 'Games Run By CPA Members' started by BigBlue, Mar 12, 2009.

  1. BigBlue Magic Jones

    New format...

    Players of this format (7 to 10) will (in random order) select expansions as follows:

    1st Player Standalone Set:
    2nd Player Expansion:
    3rd Player Expansion:
    4th Player Core Set:
    5th Player Expansion:
    6th Player Expansion:
    7th Player Standalone Set:

    Additional players may replace an earlier choice or leave them as is.

    Examples -
    Core - Alpha, Beta/UL, Revised, ... X
    Standalone Set: Ice Age, Mirage, Tempest, ...
    Expansion Set: Legends, Arabian Nights, Homelands, ...

    Then, players build a deck using only cards from the chosen sets using these rules - 60 Card Minimum, no more than 4 of any card, and cards must not appear on any banned/Restricted list.

    Is this what you were envisioning Ransac? Or did you intend it to be singleton?

    Comments, players, etc welcome.

    (We'd like to get at least 8 players for a format).
  2. Modus Pwnens Eligible for User Title

    I like the idea of this, willing to give it a go.
  3. Ransac CPA Trash Man

    These rules sound great, with one exception. I'd like to add variety and not just rely on the interactions that one block could create.

    I propose the additional rule of: No more than one set per block may be added to the card pool. I.E.: If Prophecy is added, Nemesis and Mercadian Masques are off limits. Coldsnap is considered part of the Ice Age block, while Arabian Nights, Antiquities, Legends, The Dark, Fallen Empires, and Homelands have no block restriction (due to not being part of a block).

    EDIT: I suggest that this format be called "Build OUR own Standard" since everyone gets a say in everyone else's limitations.

    Ransac, cpa trash man
  4. DarthFerret Evil Sith Weasel

    I can try this out.
  5. BigBlue Magic Jones

    I like that restriction as well... there are enough blocks.

    What about the removal rule? I didn't quite know how to handle 8-10 players and felt we wouldn't want more than 7 expansions...
  6. Ransac CPA Trash Man

    We COULD make it 8 sets to fit a 3-set block + core and a 4-set block (to simulate how it was with Ravnica block + Coldsnap OR the Lorwyn/Shadowmoor double blocks). 8 sets would be MY maximum to want. If more than 8 intend to play, then some players would randomly be selected to not choose a set (sorry).

    Removal Rule?

    Ransac, cpa trash man
  7. Oversoul The Tentacled One

    This is an interesting idea. Should the banned list perhaps be any card that was ever banned in Standard?
  8. DarthFerret Evil Sith Weasel

    That would be fine with me, however, if someone has the time and the desire, could they post a list of banned cards? I have a hard time trying to figure out different formats and such.
  9. Modus Pwnens Eligible for User Title

    Hmm, I'm not sure, should Urza's Legacy be chosen I definately think Tinker should be banned, yet I don't remember it being banned in standard (or Memory Jar..)
  10. Ransac CPA Trash Man

    Memory Jar was banned in all formats before Urza's Legacy was able to show itself in a PT. The Memory Jar deck only lasted an Extended PTQ.

    I'm actually up for banning all cards that are banned in Standard, Extended and Legacy. I gives us more incentive to think of strategies outside the usual power houses.

    So, when someone selects a set, that player should list all of the banned cards that go with that set.

    Ransac, cpa trash man
  11. Oversoul The Tentacled One

    As of now, I'm not aware of any repository that keeps track of banned cards that have rotated out of Standard. The same goes for Extended. Block Constructed formats are preserved because they technically still exist as formats, although I don't know of anyone who plays old Block Constructed formats. In principle, it should be possible to build such a list from scratch, as there are sites that note when cards were banned, like Crystal Keep. But that would mean typing in every card from an old set and checking to see if it was banned. I'm sure I can find a less ridiculous approach, possibly using the Wayback Machine...
  12. Oversoul The Tentacled One

    Doing a bit of digging right now. This is interesting. I did know that Type II used to restrict cards, but I'd forgotten about it entirely. Things used to be be less standardized than they are now. Take this card, for example...

    Anyway, it's the older stuff that's going to be trickier, as the record-keeping improved and the internet became more prevalent. I really wish there was a comprehensive site dedicated to archiving information on bannings/restrictions, rules changes, errata, popular archetypes, etc. Almost enough to start one myself, but I don't really have any relevant expertise.
  13. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    Maybe Crystal Keep? Not in one place, you still have to dig for it though.

    I'm willing to try this whenever the rules get hammered out.
  14. Ransac CPA Trash Man


    Modus Pwnens

    Ransac, cpa trash man
  15. Melkor Well-Known Member

    I'll play it, although I have to say one of the reasons I like drafts is that it is real easy to build the deck afterwards. This I'd actually have to use some sort of real deck building talent for.
  16. BigBlue Magic Jones

    How about we make this simple...

    Since this is a built standard which will only have 1 set per block - most of the obscure banned stuff won't matter... Just use the vintage/legacy b/r list.

    This will be more like those formats anyways.
  17. Melkor Well-Known Member

    I doubt anyone will take the time to truly break the format and if someone does, bravo to them and we can just move on.
  18. BigBlue Magic Jones

    Exactly - plus, we can give a week to build decks, that should give everyone enough time to build, but avoid completely breaking the format...

    We're up to 7! One more makes it an even 8.

    I think Spidey brought up a great point in the singleton 3 thread - without polling, we don't know why those who don't play these games don't... So, format change may not matter at all... We based that strictly off why a few people didn't want to do Singleton.
  19. Oversoul The Tentacled One

    Hm. That seems to be a good point. The egregious offenders would already be taken care of. I'm still hesitant, but you might be right...

    For DF's benefit, here's the Legacy banned list...

    Amulet of Quoz
    Ancestral Recall
    Bazaar of Baghdad
    Black Lotus
    Black Vise
    Bronze Tablet
    Chaos Orb
    Contract from Below
    Demonic Attorney
    Demonic Consultation
    Demonic Tutor
    Dream Halls
    Falling Star
    Frantic Search
    Goblin Recruiter
    Grim Monolith
    Hermit Druid
    Illusionary Mask
    Imperial Seal
    Jeweled Bird
    Land Tax
    Library of Alexandria
    Mana Crypt
    Mana Drain
    Mana Vault
    Memory Jar
    Mind Twist
    Mind's Desire
    Mishra's Workshop
    Mox Emerald
    Mox Jet
    Mox Pearl
    Mox Ruby
    Mox Sapphire
    Oath of Druids
    Sol Ring
    Strip Mine
    Tempest Efreet
    Time Spiral
    Time Vault
    Time Walk
    Timmerian Fiends
    Tolarian Academy
    Vampiric Tutor
    Wheel of Fortune
    Worldgorger Dragon
    Yawgmoth's Bargain
    Yawgmoth's Will

    And here is a list of all cards that are restricted in Vintage and NOT banned in Legacy (unless I missed any, which of course I didn't). Now that I look at it, these cards don't look particularly threatening for our format either, but I leave that up to the rest of you.

    Burning Wish
    Crop Rotation
    Enlightened Tutor
    Fact or Fiction
    Gifts Ungiven
    Lion's Eye Diamond
    Lotus Petal
    Merchant Scroll
    Mystical Tutor
  20. Ransac CPA Trash Man

    Okay... I'm fine with this banned list for the format..... although, if someone selects Mirrodin as one of our Standalone sets, I may stab someone.

    We have 7 people. That's enough to get the ball rolling.

    Why don't we each roll a d20. From that, we'll determine an order of picking WHEN we picking (kinda like how Horse racing works, wherte the owners place which gate they come out of). Each of us picks where in the selection they want to pick based on what they may find more important (i.e.: You may find picking the last standalone is more important than picking the first expansion. OR, you may want to pick the last expansion after viewing the rest of the sets chosen. If an 8th player joins before the selection ends, they'll be placed in the last set left open. If more players join after an 8th, they won't pick a set and simply build their deck out of what the 8 have determined.

    The order of set selecting looks to be:

    Standalone 1:
    Expansion 1:
    Expansion 2:
    Expansion 3:
    Expansion 4:
    Expansion 5 (if an 8th person joins):
    Standalone 2:

    My dice roll is 12.

    Ransac, cpa trash man

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