my new *edited* Sliver Deck

Discussion in 'Casual Decks/Variants/Etc' started by brooding_sliver, Oct 27, 2004.

  1. mythosx Legendary Creature-Human

    Anti sliver or anti tribe revolves around artifacts and enchantments. The pretty much harmonic sliver shuts those down. I have trouble with my brothers humility deck.

    I think some one tried a hivestone once but it didn't work since the sliver overlord just steals stuff for me.

    For some reason since as long as I can remember, Squirrels always beats Slivers. I can't explain it. I can't stand it either. That's just how it goes down. I'm 0 and 33 now.
  2. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    Well, a great anti-tribe card in Engineered Plague, so multiples of those out seem like they would get you. Multiple board clearers too.

    Weird about Squirrels... is it because it's a faster deck somehow? And/or use pump/Overrun effects to beat down?
  3. Oversoul The Tentacled One

    I could also have something to do with the fact that his deck is 366 cards.
  4. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    Well yeah, but sinceit's packed full of Slivers and whatnot, he's gotta be getting creatures and stuff... if he's 0-33 against Squirrels, something's gotta be going on...
  5. Oversoul The Tentacled One

    Well, I mean he's less likely to get the right answers when he needs them. I don't know what kind of squirrel decks he's facing, though. If it's Earthcraft combo, he'll probably want to draw Harmonic Sliver, but he has to find it first...
  6. brooding_sliver New Member

    Sorry I have posted in a while -- work it seems gets in te way. The closest thing I've seen to anti sliver. was a guy who had 4 plague slivers in his side board. That wasn't a fun game i tell you...lol
  7. brooding_sliver New Member

    I found a decent deck list, and I started making a budget version that looks are more powerful than my build -- I can't get the mana base right. Anyone willing to help?:

    4 Aether Vial

    4 Crystalline Sliver
    4 Sinew Sliver
    4 Muscle Sliver
    4 Plated Sliver
    4 Winged Sliver

    4 Swords to Plowshares
    4 Brainstorm
    4 Counterspell
    4 Mana leak
    2 Mana Tithe
  8. Modus Pwnens Eligible for User Title

    Well, non-budgety I'd add something like this:

    4x Flooded Strand
    4x Polluted Delta
    4x Tundra
    4x Tropical Island
    1x Island
    1x Plains
    With the basics as a concession to Moon-effects (although I do not know how many of those are there in your local metagame)

    Slightly less budgety would be to replace the T1 Duals with Shockduals, and very budgety would look like this:

    4x Adarker Wastes
    4x Yavimaya Coast
    2x Brushland
    4x Island
    2x Plains
    2x Forest

    And all basics would come down to something like:

    7x Island
    7x Plains
    4x Forest

    But that would definately give you troubles casting Counterspell, so perhaps 8 Island, 6 Plains would be better..
  9. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    Maybe. But if he said he can't explain why Squirrels win, presumably it's not always that combo but a different thing each time...
  10. DarthFerret Evil Sith Weasel

    I had/have a squirrel deck that generally speaking if you don't beat it in the first 10 turns (entirely possible), then it will usually rule supreme. The secret to it (and imho any good token critter deck) is 3 cards.

    #1. Parrellel Evolutions (flashback is a good bonus on this one)

    #2. Overrun

    #3. Spidersilk Armor

    The biggest hole in a lot of non-flying token decks is exactly that. They cannot touch fliers. By putting in the Armors, you give the little guys some survivability and you allow them to fill one of your biggest holes. Usually by the time you get one parallel evolutions, and flash it back once, then throw down an overrun, it is all over. Since squirrels are green, you almost never have to worry about mana shortages. It is pretty easy to make a trimmed down squirrel deck, even on a budget. Your only big issue, is deck speed. In a speed game, you will more than likely lose. In a multiplayer, if they do not know it is comming, you should win 90% of the time.
  11. brooding_sliver New Member

    currently I know (and have) the mana base needs:

    4 Adarkar Wastes
    4 Brushland
    4 Yavimaya Coast


    Where I get lost is in the numbers of basic lands.
  12. Modus Pwnens Eligible for User Title

    Don't go all out on Brushlands, you only need green for Muscle Slivers, so with painland you'll be good with ~6 sources of green.
    I'd stick with 2 tops, and if you feel the pain is hurting you more than you like, consider this.

    The reasoning for this is as follows:
    20 Blue cards (one of which has a UU cost)
    18 White cards
    4 Green cards

    Your mana base should reflect this, so if you're comfortable with taking some damage from your lands (aka you have a relatively quiet metagame, not a lot of burn, bunch of control decks) the pain can be taken safely.

    4x Adarker Wastes
    4x Yavimaya Coast
    2x Brushland
    5x Island
    3x Plains
    I know this is different from what I said above, but I was in a hurry this morning ;)
    If you can take the pain, this manabase should rarely give you trouble casting your spells.

    If you want to take some less pain, I'd recommend this:
    4x Adarker Wastes (non-negotiable)
    3x Yavimaya Coast
    5x Island
    4x Plains
    2x Forest
    Perhaps changing a plains for an island, testing will work out the exact configuration, but this seems best..
  13. mythosx Legendary Creature-Human

    Engineered plague isn't too bad...muscle, might, sinew, armor....its easy to push past the -1/-1 even -4/-4 isn't too bad.

    Plague sliver is a pain but as long as you get your essence slivers you actually start gaining life and not losing any.

    The key reason that I lose to squirrels is very clear and obvious. Deranged Hermit. for the cost of 5 mana, essentially you are getting 9/9. The second reason, is earth craft. Since we play a vintage game, earthcraft squirrels nest is much faster than my infinite combo.
  14. Oversoul The Tentacled One

    Ah. I had a feeling that if it wasn't Earthcraft it was Deranged Hermit. Apparently it's both.
  15. mythosx Legendary Creature-Human

    yeah the funny thing is, I was the one who made both those suggestions. I need to learn to keep my yap shut.
  16. brooding_sliver New Member

    squirrels, huh? Maybe I picked the wrong creature type to fall in love with.
  17. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    Well, there you go :)

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