(first 2 cents) Wow, this is some pretty mature stuff for the stereotypical magic player to be thinking of. I'm impressed. Apparently we have some exceptions to the rule. (the rest) I can't and won't comment much on the Bush/Gore thing other than to say that my political view is liberal and thus if I were to vote, it would be for Gore, as the lesser of two evils. (Though not a lot lesser) However, abortion and death penalty are subjects that I can comment on. First off, abortion. There are several aspects to this topic, from family values to sexual mores to right to life and so on. For the moment I'll just stick with abortion itself. We have a case of an unwanted pregnancy, should the mother be allowed to abort. Subject: Right to life There are many people who believe that the baby inside the mother has a right to live, and that the mother does not have a right to end it's life. I agree that the mother does not have the right to end the baby's life, anymore than anyone else has the right to end the life of another. Killing is not a right, it is a priviledge. People kill other creatures all the time, we kill for the priviledge to eat meat, we kill in the name of justice, we kill for patriotism, in short, death happens. Nobody has an inherent 'right to life'. On the flip side, nobody has an inherent 'right to kill'. In short, the 'right to life' aspect of abortion is not relevant. Whether or not an abortion should be allowed should be considered solely on the basis of the consequences of having the birth or not. Perhaps I should clarify. Death happens. In the real world, death is just as necessary as life. There is no inherent 'goodness' or 'badness' in either. Creatures of all sorts die all the time for much more minor reasons than an unwanted pregnancy. There is not a single human on this planet over the age of 10 who is not responsible for the death of another animal or plant. After all, if you eat, you are a killer. Even if you state that plants have less of a right to life, being simpler creatures, we kill other animals all the time. Some cases to think about: Omnivores, animals died that you can eat. Trapping mice, animals died that you can live free from disease. Slapping mosquitos, well, maybe a bit far fetched, but still, a death that you are responsible for. The fact remains, maybe in a perfect world we could live without any sort of animal death, but the world isn't perfect, so creatures die. Now many who read this will be thinking that humans are superior to other creatures. To those I ask how. What makes us so special? The only reason we care, at the root, is self interest. This is getting really long, and less coherent, so I'll stop for now and see what sort of flames crop up. I know that it's not as eloquent as it might be, but that doesn't make it any less valid.