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Ephraim

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Read the MTG.com article that I posted at the beginning of the thread. It explains everything in greater detail. Basically, you play as long as you want, add cards whenever it's desirable, and create virtual collections, but from a relatively small pool.
 
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BigBlue

Guest
So, let's say we start with Beta: Check
Each player opens a box of boosters? Yep
Build decks and play? Yep
Trade cards with other players? Yep
Ban cards that are agreed to be a problem? Yep, with the caveat that you may exchange banned cards for like rarity cards - or keep them if you think we might "un-ban" a card later.
Then what? Add more cards to our collection? New sets like the Dark? Yep.
How long does it last? Forever...

And, no keeping score, it's just for fun. (from the article)
 
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BigBlue

Guest
Is Beta acceptable?

I think by majority vote (with a quorum of 50% or more players voting), a card is deemed broken and will be banned. Any owners of that card may exchange it for a single card of similar rarity. You could also keep the card if you felt it may be unbanned later...

If you get an "Ante" card, you may keep it and play it when your opponent agrees to use Ante for a game... Alternatively - I think you should be able to exchange it for a like rarity card? Or should you get a random like rarity card (same for banned)?

It seems like we're close to finalizing the guidelines... can we begin on Monday? 8/6?
 
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BigBlue

Guest
OK, I just generated a box for myself. Saved it, then generated a couple more just to look at them...

One card I saw which won't really work in this format is "Chaos Orb". I nominate that as the first "banned" card... :)

But, what shall we do? One random rare (generate a single pack and exchange the orb for it) would seem better than allowing a person to choose a rare (as I'd originally postulated).

I got a decent box, no power 9... sadly I have to figure out what to use my 4 laces for... :( Using Apprentice I got a fairly decent distribution with 36 boosters... better than I'd expected (only 4 duplicated rares).

Also, will there be a 4 card limit? or can someone make a 40 Plague Rat deck (with trading obviously)... :)
 
Mooseman

Mooseman

Isengar Tussle
Since this is constructed, the 4 of any one card limit should be used.

Random generation of the replacement rare seems fair.

I'll have to try this tonight or over the weekend.....hmmmmm
 
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BigBlue

Guest
While their article did not include a 4-card limit, the 2 decks listed appear to adhere to it, so that seems acceptable.

I will post a "tradebook" and a list of wanted cards Monday.
 
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DarthFerret

Guest
I used Apprentice also to Generate mine, got one P9 card, and will have to say that without some heavy trading, not sure that my stock will hold up against anyone here....
 
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EricBess

Guest
I think just eliminating Chaos Orb as a posibility and replacing it with a random rare makes sense. Later, however, if we have to ban cards after people have traded for a deck, I'm not sure that a random replacement for something that was traded heavily to get is going to be so appropriate.
 
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BigBlue

Guest
What about Ante cards?

I have 3 and will likely not play for Ante. Would anyone object to getting three replacements? Or would someone want to trade for their ante deck?

I think I have a decent set of cards, but I have a lot of useless rares...

EDIT -

OK, so I just finished my second deck... was looking at cards and realized I have no Circles of Protection... Checked Apprentice and it doesn't think CoP is in Beta.... So, I think there's a bug... Should I recreate my cards with Suitcase since I have skewed commons? I checked the other rarities and they add up (36 rares, 108 unc, 396 com)... Strange. Did anyone else get the same thing? (I am using a possibly older Apprentice...)

Even newer info -

I got the latest version of Apprentice and it corrected that issue for CoP.
I also got the latest version of Magic Suitcase, and after some fiddling with it, I figured it out enough to generate a box. Trouble I found was it attempts to insert production errors - to the tune of almost 200 basic lands, sometimes in place of a rare, but often in place of a few commons... Do we want this level of "reality" or not?

So, I hate to have wasted effort with my earlier box, but I guess I'll generate a new box based on either the fixed Apprentice or the land-rich Magic Suicase?
 
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Melkor

Well-known member
I'll be using Apprentice myself. One quirky thing, in my test boxes, I've consistently found that Counterspell is as rare if not rarer than Moxen
 
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train

Guest
who wants to trade?...

Air Elemental 2
Ancestral Recall 1
Animate Artifact 1
Bad Moon 1
Basalt Monolith 1
Benalish Hero 6
Berserk 2
Black Knight 2
Black Vise 1
Black Ward 4
Blue Elemental Blast 5
Blue Ward 2
Burrowing 3
Camouflage 1
Castle 1
Celestial Prism 3
Channel 4
Circle of Protection: Blue 5
Circle of Protection: Green 6
Circle of Protection: Red 2
Circle of Protection: White 3
Clockwork Beast 1
Clone 1
Consecrate Land 2
Control Magic 3
Conversion 1
Copper Tablet 1
Craw Wurm 1
Creature Bond 1
Cursed Land 4
Dark Ritual 2
Death Ward 1
Demonic Attorney 1
Disenchant 3
Disintegrate 4
Dragon Whelp 1
Drain Life 6
Drain Power 1
Drudge Skeletons 6
Dwarven Demolition Team 1
Dwarven Warriors 2
Earth Elemental 1
Earthbind 2
False Orders 2
Fastbond 1
Fear 3
Feedback 5
Fireball 4
Firebreathing 2
Flashfires 1
Flight 2
Fog 9
Forcefield 1
Forest 49
Frozen Shade 5
Fungusaur 1
Giant Growth 4
Giant Spider 3
Glasses of Urza 2
Gloom 2
Goblin Balloon Brigade 3
Gray Ogre 6
Green Ward 3
Grizzly Bears 2
Guardian Angel 1
Healing Salve 4
Hill Giant 2
Holy Armor 2
Holy Strength 5
Howl from Beyond 2
Hurloon Minotaur 3
Hurricane 1
Hypnotic Specter 4
Ice Storm 2
Invisibility 2
Iron Star 1
Ironclaw Orcs 7
Ironroot Treefolk 3
Island 49
Ivory Cup 1
Juggernaut 4
Jump 5
Karma 1
Keldon Warlord 3
Kudzu 1
Lance 2
Ley Druid 2
Library of Leng 4
Lifeforce 1
Lightning Bolt 4
Living Wall 1
Llanowar Elves 2
Lure 2
Mana Flare 1
Meekstone 2
Merfolk of the Pearl Triden 4
Mesa Pegasus 3
Mons's Goblin Raiders 4
Mountain 55
Mox Pearl 1
Obsianus Golem 3
Orcish Artillery 2
Orcish Oriflamme 2
Paralyze 4
Pearled Unicorn 4
Pestilence 4
Phantasmal Forces 3
Phantasmal Terrain 2
Phantom Monster 1
Plague Rats 7
Plains 48
Plateau 2
Power Leak 7
Power Sink 3
Prodigal Sorcerer 4
Psionic Blast 2
Psychic Venom 5
Raise Dead 2
Red Elemental Blast 6
Red Ward 1
Regeneration 3
Resurrection 1
Roc of Kher Ridges 1
Rod of Ruin 1
Royal Assassin 1
Sacrifice 2
Samite Healer 3
Scathe Zombies 6
Scavenging Ghoul 2
Scrubland 1
Scrubland 1
Scryb Sprites 3
Sea Serpent 4
Sengir Vampire 4
Serra Angel 3
Shanodin Dryads 3
Shatter 3
Simulacrum 2
Sinkhole 4
Sleight of Mind 1
Sol Ring 1
Soul Net 2
Spell Blast 2
Stone Giant 2
Stone Rain 4
Stream of Life 5
Swamp 48
Swords to Plowshares 1
Terror 2
Thicket Basilisk 4
Throne of Bone 1
Tranquility 2
Tsunami 1
Tundra 1
Tunnel 1
Twiddle 3
Unholy Strength 4
Unsummon 3
Uthden Troll 2
Verduran Enchantress 1
Wall of Air 2
Wall of Bone 3
Wall of Brambles 3
Wall of Fire 1
Wall of Ice 1
Wall of Stone 2
Wall of Water 2
Wall of Wood 4
Wanderlust 2
War Mammoth 4
Weakness 4
White Knight 1
White Ward 3
Wild Growth 5
Will-o'-the-Wisp 1
Wooden Sphere 5
Word of Command 1
 
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BigBlue

Guest
Trade Stuff.

What are you looking for Train?

(How did you end up with Plains/Swamps? with Apprentice I only got a few Mountains in place of commons - with Magic Suitcase I was so hosed I switched to Apprentice)

I could use a Dark Ritual (only got 3 in my box).

Counterspell used to be Uncommon - and with all the uncommons in the set, it isn't unusual to get so few. (I got 2).

# Name
2 Air Elemental
1 Animate Artifact
3 Basalt Monolith
3 Benalish Hero
1 Black Ward
1 Blue Elemental Blast
2 Blue Ward
1 Burrowing
1 Camouflage
2 Circle of Protection: Blue
1 Circle of Protection: Green
2 Circle of Protection: White
1 Clone
2 Consecrate Land
1 Conversion
1 Copper Tablet
1 Craw Wurm
3 Creature Bond
1 Crusade
1 Crystal Rod
2 Cursed Land
1 Cyclopean Tomb
1 Deathgrip
1 Demonic Hordes
2 Disenchant
1 Disrupting Scepter
1 Drain Life
1 Drudge Skeletons
2 Dwarven Demolition Team
2 Elvish Archers
1 Evil Presence
1 Fastbond
1 Feedback
1 Firebreathing
1 Force of Nature
1 Gaea's Liege
1 Giant Growth
1 Giant Spider
3 Glasses of Urza
1 Gloom
2 Green Ward
1 Grizzly Bears
6 Guardian Angel
2 Healing Salve
1 Holy Armor
2 Hurloon Minotaur
3 Hurricane
1 Ice Storm
1 Instill Energy
4 Invisibility
1 Iron Star
2 Ivory Cup
2 Jade Statue
1 Juggernaut
1 Keldon Warlord
1 Lifeforce
2 Lifetap
1 Living Artifact
1 Living Wall
2 Merfolk of the Pearl Trident
2 Mons's Goblin Raiders
1 Orcish Artillery
1 Orcish Oriflamme
1 Pearled Unicorn
4 Pestilence
1 Phantasmal Forces
2 Plague Rats
4 Power Leak
2 Power Sink
1 Power Surge
4 Prodigal Sorcerer
1 Psionic Blast
6 Red Elemental Blast
1 Regrowth
1 Resurrection
1 Rock Hydra
1 Rod of Ruin
2 Sacrifice
3 Samite Healer
1 Savannah Lions
1 Scryb Sprites
3 Shatter
4 Simulacrum
3 Sinkhole
4 Siren's Call
1 Smoke
1 Soul Net
2 Spell Blast
4 Steal Artifact
1 Stone Giant
3 Stone Rain
1 Stream of Life
1 The Hive
1 Thicket Basilisk
1 Thoughtlace
1 Tsunami
4 Twiddle
3 Unholy Strength
1 Unsummon
3 Uthden Troll
1 Verduran Enchantress
1 Veteran Bodyguard
1 Volcanic Eruption
2 Wall of Air
1 Wall of Bone
1 Wall of Brambles
1 Wall of Fire
3 Wall of Ice
1 Wall of Stone
2 Wall of Water
4 Wall of Wood
3 War Mammoth
1 Warp Artifact
1 Water Elemental
3 Weakness
1 Web
1 White Knight
1 White Ward
1 Wild Growth
2 Winter Orb
2 Wooden Sphere
 
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EricBess

Guest
Whose making the boxes for people that don't have the program?
 
Mooseman

Mooseman

Isengar Tussle
If Suitcase gives a lot of basic lands, but Apprentice doesn't, isn't it better to use Apprentice?
Seems like using Suitcase puts you at a disadvantage.
I used suitcase and got lots of basic lands.
 
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BigBlue

Guest
That's why I used Apprentice. Now, you could import your cards from Apprentice into a Suitcase Inventory.

I just didn't find Suitcase to be all that user friendly... way too much info...

Apprentice has it right - According to legend, there were mountains in the commons on occaision - because they needed to fill a slot in the common sheet or something like that.

I can generate anyone a box, If you PM me your email. Also, I have it in Excel format (with links and other info - like all the cards in the set for reference) or I can just send Apprentice output files.

If I do one for you, you'll get the first box without a Chaos Orb in it - I just found it easier to redo a box with Generate than to save it, and make a random booster for a replacement.

Let me know.
 
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