No offense to arhar, but if you notice, he tends to be a bit more passionate in his reponses and that they (to the best of my knowledge) aren't generally factual; it's more obvious it's his opinion. He's not saying "well, this happened and this is the history and blah, blah, blah". Additionally, he tends to fall out after a first couple of responses. Oh lordy, this just takes the cake. You obviously don't know what a dictatorship is if you think the US is one, and now your claims of "being informed" have just been shot. I'm sorry Duke, but I can no longer consider anything you say to be much of anything if you don't even recognize this. Gizmo: I pretty much agree with your assessment and the only thing I don't is your opinion that "patriotism is a Bad Thing". As long as we don't cross over to Nationalism (from your assessment), I don't see cause for alarm. Discomfit, maybe. Ura: I don't think there's much rock-throwing in this "invasion". And I agree that largely, Palestinians are innocent. It's the "bad apples" that's unfortunately bringing it down on the rest of them Any word from Palestinian sources? The whole point of this topic was that there have been numerous suicide bombings since 9/11, yet only the "last two" have triggered an invasion. Perhaps Gizmo can answer this better, but since Britain had experienced "regular" car bombings, I would think they would be more alert. They didn't "invade", they were already there. The Arabs didn't like the partitioning. And since they did co-exist "peacefully" before the announcement, I think it's rather unusual for violence to start then. I was talking about "civilian" uprisings, not an organized assault with a full military. Once again, I think the original reason of why we were discussing this has been lost. The whole point was not to negotiate with hijackers and using the Israeli airline as an example. I'm not sure why you're extending this. Actually, for WWI, Wilson pretty much dragged the US into the war. He had a bit more "sight" than the rest of the country. Sorry, I was using "not American" as equal to "foreigner" when rebutting the position of the views here representing all Americans. Actually, I have been doing it to Ura, just not here. You have been very helpful in providing sources and other information. And as I have mentioned, one of those links at least HAVE changed my opinion that Israeli has always been the victim. So sorry Duke, Ura has been a lot more helpful and does make a lot of sense, much more than you.