Zendikar: Mooseman vs SealTeamBill

Mooseman

Mooseman

Isengar Tussle
UU
Forest
Kalitas, Bloodchief of Ghet
Done

SealTeamBill: 22
Hand: 8
Battlefield:

(T) Plain
(T) Forest
(T) Swamp
(T) Island
(TT) Moutain

(T) Kitesail Scout (white)(1/1)(Flying)
(U) Fortified Rampart (white)(0/6)(Defender)
(U) Voracious Null (black)(2/2)(1+blk, Sacrifice another creature: Put two +1/+1 counters on Voracious Null. Activate this ability only anytime you could cast a sorcery.)
(T) Tajuru Stalwart (grn)(3/4)(Converge --- Tajuru Stalwart enters the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on it each color of mana spent to cast it.)
Hedron Blade (Artifact equipment)(Equipped creature gets +1/+1. Whenever equipped creature becomes blocked by 1 or more colorless creatures, it gains deathtouch until the end of turn.(Any amount of damage dealt to a creature is enough to destroy it.) Equip 2

Graveyard: Courier Griffin
Exile:
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Mooseman: 14
Hand: 11
Battlefield:

(TT) Plains x2
(TT) Swamp x2
(T) Island
(TT) Mountain x2
(U) Forest

(U) Torch Slinger (R) (2/2,Kicker 1R. When Torch Slinger enters the battlefield, if it was kicked, it deals 2 damage to target creature.)
(S) Kalitas, Bloodchief of Ghet (B) (5/5,BBB, Tap: Destroy target creature. If that creature dies this way, create a black Vampire creature token. Its power is equal to that creature's power and its toughness is equal to that creature's toughness.)

Graveyard: Disfigured ,Vampire Hexmage
Exile:
 
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SEALTEAMBILL

Member
The land never hit zero. You removed the counters and changed its condition. It has to recieve lethal damage in according to the rules to die. Lands only die from lethal damage. In this case there never was any damage. But if you would have blocked it first, doing damage and then removed the counters, then it would have received lethal damage. The ruling comes from a 2020 site: TappedOut.net

Your turn
 
Mooseman

Mooseman

Isengar Tussle
SEALTEAMBILL said:
The land never hit zero. You removed the counters and changed its condition. It has to recieve lethal damage in according to the rules to die. Lands only die from lethal damage. In this case there never was any damage. But if you would have blocked it first, doing damage and then removed the counters, then it would have received lethal damage. The ruling comes from a 2020 site: TappedOut.net

Your turn
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Nope, any creature, and that is a creature (and a land), that has a toughness of zero or less will go to the graveyard, on state based effects. There is no such thing a changing it "condition". Lands are not special, and lethal damage isn't necessary for any creature to go to the graveyard based on toughness.
Sorry dude, but that's the rules, all creatures follow the rules for creatures, no matter what other types they may be.

BTW - TappedOut.net is not official rulings for MTG, it's just posters opinions.

I took my turn.
 
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SEALTEAMBILL

Member
UU
1. Forest
2. Smite the Monstrous ~ instant Destroy creature with a power of 4 or greater on the Ghet
3. Equip Voracious Null with the blade
4. Attack with +1/+1Flying Scout; +3/+3 ground Null and +3/+4 Tajuru.
Response?

SealTeamBill: 22
Hand: 7
Battlefield:

(T) Plain
(TT) Forest×2
(T) Swamp
(U) Island
(TT) Moutain

(T) Kitesail Scout (white)(1/1)(Flying)
(U) Fortified Rampart (white)(0/6)(Defender)
(T) Voracious Null (black)(2/2)(1+blk, Sacrifice another creature: Put two +1/+1 counters on Voracious Null. Activate this ability only anytime you could cast a sorcery.) ~ Hedron Blade
(T) Tajuru Stalwart (grn)(3/4)Equipped (4/5)(Converge --- Tajuru Stalwart enters the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on it each color of mana spent to cast it.)
Hedron Blade (Artifact equipment)(Equipped creature gets +1/+1. Whenever equipped creature becomes blocked by 1 or more colorless creatures, it gains deathtouch until the end of turn.(Any amount of damage dealt to a creature is enough to destroy it.) Equip 2

Graveyard: Courier Griffin
Exile:
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Mooseman: 14
Hand: 11
Battlefield:

(TT) Plains x2
(TT) Swamp x2
(T) Island
(TT) Mountain x2
(U) Forest

(U) Torch Slinger (R) (2/2,Kicker 1R. When Torch Slinger enters the battlefield, if it was kicked, it deals 2 damage to target creature.)


Graveyard: Disfigured ,Vampire Hexmage, Kalitas, Bloodchief of Ghet
 
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SEALTEAMBILL

Member
DONE

SealTeamBill: 22
Hand: 7
Battlefield:

(T) Plain
(TT) Forest×2
(T) Swamp
(U) Island
(TT) Moutain

(T) Kitesail Scout (white)(1/1)(Flying)
(U) Fortified Rampart (white)(0/6)(Defender)
(T) Voracious Null (black)(2/2)(1+blk, Sacrifice another creature: Put two +1/+1 counters on Voracious Null. Activate this ability only anytime you could cast a sorcery.) ~ Hedron Blade
(T) Tajuru Stalwart (grn)(3/4)Equipped (4/5)(Converge --- Tajuru Stalwart enters the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on it each color of mana spent to cast it.)
Hedron Blade (Artifact equipment)(Equipped creature gets +1/+1. Whenever equipped creature becomes blocked by 1 or more colorless creatures, it gains deathtouch until the end of turn.(Any amount of damage dealt to a creature is enough to destroy it.) Equip 2

Graveyard: Courier Griffin, Clutch of Currents, Smite the Monstrous
Exile:
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Mooseman: 11
Hand: 11
Battlefield:

(TT) Plains x2
(TT) Swamp x2
(T) Island
(TT) Mountain x2
(U) Forest



Graveyard: Disfigured ,Vampire Hexmage, Kalitas, Bloodchief of Ghet, Torch Slinger
 
Mooseman

Mooseman

Isengar Tussle
Wow, some beat down
UU
Swamp
Grim Discovery to get Kalitas back to my hand
Cast Kalitas
Done

SealTeamBill: 22
Hand: 7
Battlefield:

(T) Plain
(TT) Forest×2
(T) Swamp
(U) Island
(TT) Moutain

(T) Kitesail Scout (white)(1/1)(Flying)
(U) Fortified Rampart (white)(0/6)(Defender)
(T) Voracious Null (black)(2/2)(1+blk, Sacrifice another creature: Put two +1/+1 counters on Voracious Null. Activate this ability only anytime you could cast a sorcery.) ~ Hedron Blade
(T) Tajuru Stalwart (grn)(3/4)Equipped (4/5)(Converge --- Tajuru Stalwart enters the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on it each color of mana spent to cast it.)
Hedron Blade (Artifact equipment)(Equipped creature gets +1/+1. Whenever equipped creature becomes blocked by 1 or more colorless creatures, it gains deathtouch until the end of turn.(Any amount of damage dealt to a creature is enough to destroy it.) Equip 2

Graveyard: Courier Griffin, Clutch of Currents, Smite the Monstrous
Exile:
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Mooseman: 11
Hand: 10
Battlefield:

(TT) Plains x2
(TTT) Swamp x3
(T) Island
(TT) Mountain x2
(T) Forest

(S) Kalitas, Bloodchief of Ghet (B) (5/5,BBB, Tap: Destroy target creature. If that creature dies this way, create a black Vampire creature token. Its power is equal to that creature's power and its toughness is equal to that creature's toughness.)


Graveyard: Disfigured ,Vampire Hexmage, Torch Slinger, Grim Discovery
 
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SEALTEAMBILL

Member
WOW OUTSTANDING making me work for the win...
UU
1. Forest
2. Stonefury (red) instant ~ Stonefury deals damage to target creature equal to the number of lands you control ~ 8 points of damage to the ghet.
3. Swarm Surge sorcery Devoid (This card has no color) Creatures you control get +2/+0 until end of turn. Colorless creatures gain first strike.)
4. Attack: 3/1 flying Scout, 5/3 null, 5/4 Tajuru = 13 damage

Game over

SealTeamBill: 22
Hand: 5
Battlefield:

(T) Plain
(TTT) Forest×3
(T) Swamp
(T) Island
(TT) Moutain

(T) Kitesail Scout (white)(1/1)(Flying)
(U) Fortified Rampart (white)(0/6)(Defender)
(T) Voracious Null (black)(2/2)(1+blk, Sacrifice another creature: Put two +1/+1 counters on Voracious Null. Activate this ability only anytime you could cast a sorcery.) ~ Hedron Blade
(T) Tajuru Stalwart (grn)(3/4)Equipped (4/5)(Converge --- Tajuru Stalwart enters the battlefield with a +1/+1 counter on it each color of mana spent to cast it.)
Hedron Blade (Artifact equipment)(Equipped creature gets +1/+1. Whenever equipped creature becomes blocked by 1 or more colorless creatures, it gains deathtouch until the end of turn.(Any amount of damage dealt to a creature is enough to destroy it.) Equip 2

Graveyard: Courier Griffin, Clutch of Currents, Smite the Monstrous
Exile:
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Mooseman: -2
Hand: 10
Battlefield:

(TT) Plains x2
(TTT) Swamp x3
(T) Island
(TT) Mountain x2
(T) Forest



Graveyard: Disfigured ,Vampire Hexmage, Torch Slinger, Grim Discovery
Kalitas, Bloodchief of Ghet
 
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