The new Evil Empire

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Ferret, Dec 31, 2002.

  1. Ferret CPA Founder, Slacker

    Okay folks, everyone here watches the news, right? It's okay, neither do I because I would rather be watching random shows on TechTV...

    ...but, let's assume that we do and we're actually concerned about global politics. We have three major powers in the world:

    Russia: They're still out there. If they could get their running water going, they'll be a superpower again...

    China: Would you like flies (I mean Fries) with that? Please give us lots of money and we'll try to get you into the White House.

    and of course....

    America: We have nukes and we want to use them. We have big weapons and a massive military force and want to use them. We have a big ego and we have to show it.

    In the coming years expect the US to be at war with at least three more countries. We will pick and choose whom we want to destroy and will maintain our will over any countries that dare not to follow our doctrines (as soon as we figure out what they are).

    The Media will continue to give us live feeds of our victorious heroes laying waste to our evil enemies.

    This will, in turn, launch another massive terror attack even larger than 9/11/01. Homeland Security will become "more diligent" and an angry and scared US People will welcome a "temporary suspension" of our basic rights until the "terror threat" is lifted.

    The problem is that the threat will never be lifted. The US will continue to go to war with anyone they please the American People will be powerless to stop it. We'll support it at the start, but eventually some of us will grow weary. We will be branded as traitors or terrorist-sympathisers and will be ex-communicated by the media....
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    This may all sound like something out of a bad George Orwell rip-off, but just look at the signs. The probability of it happening increase with each passing day.

    -Ferret

    "...Join today and help destroy the Eurasian menace!"
  2. Svenmonkey Pants Chancellor

    Thanks to my amazing ignorance powers, I'm going to ignore you and watch a television show highlighting the "Most Interesting People of 2002."

    "Hey, get out of my brain, government-employed teeniebopper!!"

    "Omigosh! It's N'Sync!! Omigosh!"

    Ahem, now that she's gone, I'd like to just say one thing. (In bad television announcer voice) If the United States uses nuclear armaments on any other, supposedly opposing, state, I will personally kick the President in the groin.

    Edit: I just realized that my reply probably makes no sense, but that's still one more sense-point than anything Nightstalkers posts.
  3. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    I would consider China and Russia a step below the US as I think they are still trying to regroup and get their own act together.

    However, regarding the US, I think it depends on who is in office. Like I see Clinton as more of a "reactive" guy, doing retributive bombings and such but not really going after others like the Bushes have done.

    Additionally, I'm more worried about India and Pakistan using nukes than the US. Apparently there was almost a nuclear war there last year...
  4. train The Wildcard!!!...

    I really must say that Ferret has always had good common sense points when I've read them through...

    Sven - well... you're a Pants Chancellor... Glad I wear shorts...

    Spidey... another logical voice...

    You all need Guns!!! big ones... and practice time at the range... We'll turn you into Texans in no time... Start up the fires honey... we're having a midnight barbecue!!!...

    I'll just say that the US will eventually make a mistake that will cost them the supremacy of the world... and it will be from a country that no one expects to rise-up... Russia and China have problems... their own people want to live more like americans everyday... the real threat are those who not only shun us... but strive to live differently...

    Dang Antarcticans!!!....

    On with the spoofing now...


    Should've finished them when we had the chance...

    The amount of resources all the rice they produce could soak up is reason enough to remove them from the equation...

    Dang Straight!... And Texans too!!!...

    A little JD and JB should be able to help here...

    Now that's entertainment!!!...

    Sounds like Bruce Willis and Denzel in "The Siege"... or a Fahrenheit 451 re-make...

    I'd still think you were cool if you played Magic...

    We need a time machine and Terminators...

    Don't hurt your foot... He's got cajones of steel!!!

    Man you really are going for low blows!...

    Let's go ahead and kick them down the stairs...

    He was 110% Grade-A certified Angus Rump Roast!!!... Coward!... Dress-Ruiner!...

    Didn't the CIA help in avoiding that situation and wasn't it because of a renegade general from one of those countries... You have to screen people before you give them power!...;)
  5. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    Nope, it was the Prime Minister or someone "officially" in charge in Pakistan who just recently mentioned it. And I don't think the CIA helped avoid it, it was more heavy diplomacy through "regular" channels 'cause the US needed Pakistan for Afghanistan and they wanted to prevent Pakistan from going to war with India at the time (I don't know if the US knew that Pakistan planned to use nukes then).
  6. train The Wildcard!!!...

    Then why in the heck is the word intelligence in their name???:rolleyes: :p

    Thanks Spidey...;)
  7. Thallid Ice Cream Man 21sT CeNTuRy sChIZoId MaN

    At least it'll be a FUN Orwell ripoff...
  8. train The Wildcard!!!...

    Fun... nuking people fun???...

    Dang Straight!!!...

    Midnight barbecues for everyone!...
  9. Ferret CPA Founder, Slacker

    How eerie. So many people agreeing with me? I wanted controversy! I wanted people to to say how wrong they think I am!!!

    The closest I got was someone saying that Clinton was different than our current president....

    -Ferret

    "..."
  10. train The Wildcard!!!...

    Okay...


    No I don't watch the news or random TechTV - I watch only porn!!! So leave me alone...

    There's one major Power - The U.S. and that's it!!!...

    We don't have a big ego... we have a big arsenal... leave us alone and we won't bother you!...

    We'll have nuked them by then! So there won't be any other countries...

    The media is an angel leave them alone...

    The threat will be lifted when we reach DEFCON 1!!!...

    This all sounds like something from a Witch in St. Pete's, Florida!!!...

    :p :p :p :p :p
  11. Ferret CPA Founder, Slacker

    Nice try, Train. But, I know you agree w/ me. I need REAL arguments so that I can tell everyone how wrong they are. This is the stuff that keeps me going. I just quit smoking and I need something to occupy my time!!!

    -Ferret

    "...thanks though. It was nice"
  12. train The Wildcard!!!...

    Welll... I tried...

    Congrats on quitting smoking though!...

    That's never an easy thing to do...

    :cool:
  13. Thallid Ice Cream Man 21sT CeNTuRy sChIZoId MaN

    Mongolia will become the most important country in the world.
  14. Gizmo Composite: 1860

    The United States has often been referred to as the modern successor to the Roman Empire... the truth is that the centralisation of power around the President fluctuates from administration to administration as much as it does from situation to situation.

    In times of perceived crisis the President gains power and influence and can effectively run the country by decree. In times of percieved prosperity the power is taken back by Congress, the Senate, and the Supreme Court.

    It is very interesting just how gleefully Bush Jr has pursued war with other nations and attempted to maintain an aura of fear over the USA. While the US is under threat he can do pretty much anything he wants. Poor old Bill however was continually under attack, not from towelheads in the pay of the CIA, but from inside the government - all because he managed to run the country well and keep the nation relatively prosperous.

    Gotta love those checks and balances.
  15. Thallid Ice Cream Man 21sT CeNTuRy sChIZoId MaN

    I now don't support him as completely as I used to, but what I will say for Bill Clinton is that he knows how to run a country and how not to run it.
  16. EricBess Active Member

    Clinton just ignored situations like this. I'm not saying that it is incorrect to "just let the rest of the world be", but 9/11 was on Bush's watch, not Clintons. I'm not so convinced that if there are conspiracy theorists out there saying that something like this wouldn't happen on Clinton's watch that they aren't far from the truth.

    The truth of the matter is that the government is set up with 3 branches, not 1, and that the president himself is as much of a figurehead as anything. Yes, he has control over certain types of decisions, but realistically, those sorts of things don't come up very often.

    Other than that, he can push Congress in a specific direction, but if they don't want to go there, he can't force it.

    To me, given that, the president is just as important for the example he sets for the country and Clinton made a spectacle of himself on that front.

    I know a lot of people that blame the economy on Bush. Yes, it was certainly Bush who decided that all the people in Enron and so forth should become corrupt and try to abuse the system. What's more, I'm sure that it was Bush that exposed their frauds and used that to shake consumer confidence. Not to mention arranging terrorist attacks to further shake consumer confidence. Sure enough, Bush has wreaked havoc on the economy, that... (oops, almost got oinked :D).

    I don't doubt that there are a lot of people who don't like his current actions leading to potential war. But for everyone that's against it, there's someone that supports the decision. When the attacks first occurred, there were a lot of people who were afraid that we would rush into a rash decision. Now that we didn't, they complain about something else. The bottom line is that if you support someone, it's easy to like what they do. If you don't, it's equally easy to find something wrong with what they do.

    As for me, I don't know enough about the situation to know whether or not war is justified, but I certainly don't think it's appropriate to sit back and let terrorists have their way simply because you are afraid of another attack.
  17. train The Wildcard!!!...

    and...
    He also knows how to stain a dress...
  18. Ferret CPA Founder, Slacker

    Let's not talk about how "great" Clinton was, okay. I think neither he nor Bush are that great, but Clinton is definitely the greater of the evils.

    Did Clinton know about 9/11? Perhaps. The CIA gets information about potential terrorist plots daily.

    Would it have have happened if Gore been elected? Of course. Terrorist cels work independently of their central leadership and often what they plan is put into motion at least a year in advance. Bush had only been in office for eight months, so there's no way you can blame him for it.

    Next question: Is Bush to blame for the economy? No. History has shown that each President inherits the economy from the prior President. Pres. Bush (Sr.) had set in motion a budget to remove the deficit in five years. Clinton in his first year of Presidency claimed that he came up with the idea and took credit for the prosperity. About six years into the Clinton presidency the budget started to lose ground but we were still operating in the black until about a year into the Bush presidency. Still, Bush is to blame for it? No. I don't think so.

    Of course, each president is only as good as the people they surround themselves with. Bush surrounds himself w/ his father's top advisors and Clinton surrounded himself w/ slightly unattractive interns.

    -Ferret

    "...Like it matters. Presidents don't control the country. Corporations do..."
  19. DÛke Memento Mori

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    The United States is a modern-day dictatorship masked behind terms like "justice" and "freedom." Whether its foundation was based on such a deception or not, the truth is what it has become, not what it should have been. Like all other empires, the U.S. will collapse. Not just so, but whatever "super" power that follows will also collapse, and the one after, and so on. The cycle cannot be broken until governments are a thing of the past, not to mention any dividing institue such as religion. What must it take for such a thing to happen? I believe that man needs to overcome himself, get over the desperate and pitiful need to be a god amongst others. Of course, democracy gives its slaves an illusion of "having a choice," and so silencing them, or actually, making them believe that they have a choice and "look at all other countries, they are the slaves," and by doing so, the illusion of "choice" fulfills itself. I will not deny that there are different levels of "freedom" between countries, but...what is freedom if it were not completely free? Can you give me the value of a dollar bill that is torn in half, with the other half completely missing? It is valueless. So follows half-freedom.

    The day the United States falters will come, a short peace after, followed by the next "big thing."

    "Oo, I can't wait!"
  20. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    I'm a bit confused by what EricBess was saying so...

    I agree with Ferret that Clinton might have known about it but I disagree that "Bush cannot be blamed for it". Terrorist plots may take months to plan and put in motion but you always have the chance to stop them up until it occurs.

    I put it in quotes because I do think that no one foresaw the nature of 9/11, Bush included. I mean stopping plots in general.

    I was going to say something about EricBess' statement on the economy but now I just got it :D

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