Poison list so far: Asp's Grasp (2G) Sorcery Target player gets 2 poison counters. Reef Stonefish 2U Creature-Fish 2/2 Whenever Reef Stonefish deals combat damage to a player he of she gets two poison counters. Anti-Venom (1W) Enchantment W: Remove a poison counter from target player. Giant Funnel-web 3G Creature-Giant Spider 1/3 Whenever Giant Funnel-web deals combat damage to a player he of she gets X poison counters. Where X is equal to Giant Funnel-webs power. Noxoius Pitviper 1BB Creature-Snake 2/1 1BB: Until end of turn, Noxoius Pitviper gains fear. Whenever Dauti Pitviper deals combat damage to a player her or she gets a poison counter.(add reminder text) Toxic Vines G Creature-Wall 0/3 You may play this spell for 2 generic mana instead of its mana cost. Gain a poison counter: add two mana of any color to your mana pool. Play this ability only once each turn. Fer-de Lance 1G Creature-Snake 1/1 1G: Put a poison counter on Fer-de Lance. Whenever Fer-de lance deals combat damage to a player he of she gets X poison counters. Where X is equal to the number of poison counters on Fer-de Lance. Strychnos Toxifera 2GG Creature-Plant 0/2 2, Sacrifice a Forest: Target players gets a poison counter. Toxic Venom (X1G) Sorcery X creatures get, "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, that player receives one poison counter." Uber-Snake 1GG Creature-Snake Doublestrike Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, that player receives one poison counter. Whenever ~this~ blocks or becomes blocked by a non-Wall creature, destroy that creature. 0/2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oversoul and I are having a conversation about the Poison mech and I/we? got to wondering if the mech could be improved so we could have playable poison cards, atleast for casual play. Below is part of our conversation. Please chime in with your ideas and thoughts. (Oversoul) But it might be nice to see the poison counter mechanic revamped, as it's just too weak right now even for casual play... Well, I guess that maybe nothing is too weak for casual play... But still... (Me) Your so right about the poison mech. Why don't we try to develop a cycle of cards with that mech. something we think should be playable. Some rares, uncommons and commons; Black Blue Green Red White: remove poison counters(healer)? Gold: Artifact: (Oversoul) White had Leeches I know, but it's VERY bad (which is why it found a spot as a secondary kill condition in Relentless Pony)... Black had some poisonous attackers, but they were only mildly evasive and pretty weak too. Um, Crypt Cobra, Swamp Mosquito, Pit Scorpion, and Suq'Ata Assassin (I think) were the ones I remember. Something like Pit Scorpion could kill really quickly with something like Mind over Matter and Quicksilver Dagger, but that was redundant... The green ones were better sometimes. Sabertooth Cobra was slightly more dangerous than the black poisoners and then there was Marsh Viper. Marsh Viper is more along the lines of an actual good card, if it had been more supported by the other poison cards. It's tiny for its cost, but it only needs to swing five times by itself to kill, and it doesn't need to do the damage in combat either... Serpent Generator was the artifact, but it was a silly card... I can remember all of these, because Al0ysiusHWWW used to have all of them (except Leeches) in his B/G "Arabian Venom" deck. He even thought up a U/G "Poison-Gro" deck to try to capitalize on Marsh Viper and Sabertooth Cobra, but didn't have a lot of the cards he needed and the thing never got tested anyway... I've seen quite a few people try poison builds, mostly without success, since the cards just aren't good worth it, mainly... I like the idea of making the poison mechanic more elaborate, maybe by expanding it to the other colors (perhaps blue could move the counters). And there could be some black cards that give you poison counters (in larger numbers than one, of course) as a drawback. Or a sorcery that just adds a poison counter directly onto an opponent... I can't think of what red would do though, as nothing seems to fit the flavor, except maybe some sort of poison purging Leeches type card (but not as sucky)... (Me) Ok, I did a quick search for poisonous creatures and found these. The "*" means its pretty dangerous. Maybe we can get enough ideas from these to make some play worthy poison creatures. Please help me divide them up into the color wheel. Invertebrates: Caterpillar Filaria Marine Animals: Cone Shell Blue Bottle Blue-ringed Octopus Box Jellyfish* Lion-fish Sea Scorpion Stingray Stonefish* Amphibians: Poison dart frog Salamander Reptiles: Coral snake Gila monster Rattlesnake Sea snake Arachinds: Black widow Brown recluse spider Latrodectas* Scorpion Trantula Sydney Funnel web* Insects: Ant Beetle-bombardier Honeybee Scolopendra* Spanish fly Termite Wasp Mammal: Platypus Soricidae Other Snakes: Cobra Mamba Kraits Elapids (Oversoul) Looking at your list and the ones marked with * as most dangerous, I can see that it's probably based primarily on which ones are more viscious than which ones are more poisonous... Filaria are parasitic worms and I don't know anything about them being poisonous, but I wouldn't doubt it... The octopus by the way is very cool. It's relatively deadly. It has fast acting poison, and the wound is almost impossible to find because the bite is practically an injection... Box jellies are extremely deadly. Although one silly thing I remember reading said that the stinging cells they have can't penetrate women's hosiary... As far as fishies go, you're dead on about putting * on the stonefish. It's highly aggresive, and basically kills whatever it stings. A fully grown human could probably survive the others assuming s/he were pulled out of the water or something, but the stonefish is very lethal... The amphibians don't have any *'s on them I notice, but FYI, the kokoi poison dart frog is the most poisonous animal on the planet, I think... As far as the reptiles go, the sea snake is far more poisonous than the others. This is because it needs concentrated venom, since it lives in the water and it doesn't want the venom diluted after an attack... I do not know what Lactrodectas is, but the Brazilian huntsman (wandering spider) is the most poisonous if I remember correctly. The Funnel web is another nasty one. Black widows really aren't that toxic and brown recluses are even less so (although the widows can be rather fatal if they bite multiple times and the recluses can make some nasty permanent damage and all that) but they're famous because they're the only potentially deadly spiders in the United States. I really don't know that much about scorpions... Tarantulas would probably only make you sick... Bulldog ants are the toxic ones... Not sure about the other insects really. There's the famed tseste(SP) fly though... Might as well give up on mammals though. The platypus is mildly poisonous as is some type of shrew, but nothing really cool... (Me) From the information you've added and what I checked out this morning we can compile this list of potential poison creatures, to create magic cards. Where do they if on the color wheel? octopus...(blue) Box jellies...(blue) stonefish...(blue) poison dart frog wandering spider Funnel web Bulldog ant Filaria In Guatemala and Mexico there is a similar parasite which can reach a length up to 50 cm. Its poison causes visual impairments, even loss of sight, convulsions, muscle pain, sleeplessness. Latrodectas spider The bite causes a little red spot, which disappears quickly. In 10-15 min occurs a strong sharp pain accompanied by vomiting, fever, tingling of the limbs, dizziness, panicking, shortage of breath, and seizures. The face turns blue, the pulse gets arrhythmic and the urine contains albumen/ proteins and blood. If no treatment is received, the bitten one dies within 1-2 days. Beetle-bombardier...(red) When the beetle is in danger, great amount of substances secreted in the both chambers get into the antechamber, where runs a rapid chemical reaction. The temperature rises to 100º and the beetle fires the liquid through his anus in up to 30 cm distance with an enviable archery skill. Some species can produce 15-20 consequent shots. The poison is extremely dangerous for the eyes and the mucous membrane. Termite...(white) (The secretion contains benzochinon and triens and quickly reacts with the air and gets thick. The limbs of the victim clot so it is paralysed.) Their collective defense is incredible. Proteroglyphs are some of the deadliest snakes in the world. Cobras mambas....(black) kraits taipans coral snakes sea snakes...(blue) potentially deadly snakes Boomslang Mangrove snake...(blue & green) pitvipers...(black & red?) Hopefully we can get all of the creative CPA minds on this and come up with some new poison cards and possible mech.