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Poison list so far:
Asp's Grasp (2G)
Sorcery
Target player gets 2 poison counters.
Reef Stonefish
2U
Creature-Fish
2/2
Whenever Reef Stonefish deals combat damage to a
player he of she gets two poison counters.
Anti-Venom (1W)
Enchantment
W: Remove a poison counter from target player.
Giant Funnel-web
3G
Creature-Giant Spider
1/3
Whenever Giant Funnel-web deals combat damage to a
player he of she gets X poison counters. Where X is
equal to Giant Funnel-webs power.
Noxoius Pitviper
1BB
Creature-Snake
2/1
1BB: Until end of turn, Noxoius Pitviper gains fear.
Whenever Dauti Pitviper deals combat damage to a player her
or she gets a poison counter.(add reminder text)
Toxic Vines
G
Creature-Wall
0/3
You may play this spell for 2 generic mana instead of
its mana cost. Gain a poison counter: add two mana
of any color to your mana pool. Play this ability only
once each turn.
Fer-de Lance
1G
Creature-Snake
1/1
1G: Put a poison counter on Fer-de Lance.
Whenever Fer-de lance deals combat damage to a
player he of she gets X poison counters. Where X is
equal to the number of poison counters on Fer-de Lance.
Strychnos Toxifera
2GG
Creature-Plant
0/2
2, Sacrifice a Forest: Target players gets a poison counter.
Toxic Venom (X1G)
Sorcery
X creatures get, "Whenever this creature deals combat damage
to a player, that player receives one poison counter."
Uber-Snake
1GG
Creature-Snake
Doublestrike
Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, that
player receives one poison counter. Whenever ~this~ blocks or
becomes blocked by a non-Wall creature, destroy that creature.
0/2
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Oversoul and I are having a conversation about
the Poison mech and I/we? got to wondering if
the mech could be improved so we could have
playable poison cards, atleast for casual
play. Below is part of our conversation. Please
chime in with your ideas and thoughts.
(Oversoul)
But it might be nice to see the poison counter mechanic revamped, as it's just too weak right now even for casual play...
Well, I guess that maybe nothing is too weak for casual play...
But still...
(Me)
Your so right about the poison mech.
Why don't we try to develop a cycle of cards with that mech.
something we think should be playable.
Some rares, uncommons and commons;
Black
Blue
Green
Red
White: remove poison counters(healer)?
Gold:
Artifact:
(Oversoul)
White had Leeches I know, but it's VERY bad (which is why it found a spot as a secondary kill condition in Relentless Pony)...
Black had some poisonous attackers, but they were only mildly evasive and pretty weak too. Um, Crypt Cobra, Swamp Mosquito, Pit Scorpion, and Suq'Ata Assassin (I think) were the ones I remember. Something like Pit Scorpion could kill really quickly with something like Mind over Matter and Quicksilver Dagger, but that was redundant...
The green ones were better sometimes. Sabertooth Cobra was slightly more dangerous than the black poisoners and then there was Marsh Viper. Marsh Viper is more along the lines of an actual good card, if it had been more supported by the other poison cards. It's tiny for its cost, but it only needs to swing five times by itself to kill, and it doesn't need to do the damage in combat either...
Serpent Generator was the artifact, but it was a silly card...
I can remember all of these, because Al0ysiusHWWW used to have all of them (except Leeches) in his B/G "Arabian Venom" deck. He even thought up a U/G "Poison-Gro" deck to try to capitalize on Marsh Viper and Sabertooth Cobra, but didn't have a lot of the cards he needed and the thing never got tested anyway...
I've seen quite a few people try poison builds, mostly without success, since the cards just aren't good worth it, mainly...
I like the idea of making the poison mechanic more elaborate, maybe by expanding it to the other colors (perhaps blue could move the counters). And there could be some black cards that give you poison counters (in larger numbers than one, of course) as a drawback. Or a sorcery that just adds a poison counter directly onto an opponent...
I can't think of what red would do though, as nothing seems to fit the flavor, except maybe some sort of poison purging Leeches type card (but not as sucky)...
(Me)
Ok, I did a quick search for poisonous creatures and found these.
The "*" means its pretty dangerous. Maybe we can get enough
ideas from these to make some play worthy poison creatures.
Please help me divide them up into the color wheel.
Invertebrates:
Caterpillar
Filaria
Marine Animals:
Cone Shell
Blue Bottle
Blue-ringed Octopus
Box Jellyfish*
Lion-fish
Sea Scorpion
Stingray
Stonefish*
Amphibians:
Poison dart frog
Salamander
Reptiles:
Coral snake
Gila monster
Rattlesnake
Sea snake
Arachinds:
Black widow
Brown recluse spider
Latrodectas*
Scorpion
Trantula
Sydney Funnel web*
Insects:
Ant
Beetle-bombardier
Honeybee
Scolopendra*
Spanish fly
Termite
Wasp
Mammal:
Platypus
Soricidae
Other Snakes:
Cobra
Mamba
Kraits
Elapids
(Oversoul)
Looking at your list and the ones marked with * as most dangerous, I can see that it's probably based primarily on which ones are more viscious than which ones are more poisonous...
Filaria are parasitic worms and I don't know anything about them being poisonous, but I wouldn't doubt it...
The octopus by the way is very cool. It's relatively deadly. It has fast acting poison, and the wound is almost impossible to find because the bite is practically an injection...
Box jellies are extremely deadly. Although one silly thing I remember reading said that the stinging cells they have can't penetrate women's hosiary...
As far as fishies go, you're dead on about putting * on the stonefish. It's highly aggresive, and basically kills whatever it stings. A fully grown human could probably survive the others assuming s/he were pulled out of the water or something, but the stonefish is very lethal...
The amphibians don't have any *'s on them I notice, but FYI, the kokoi poison dart frog is the most poisonous animal on the planet, I think...
As far as the reptiles go, the sea snake is far more poisonous than the others. This is because it needs concentrated venom, since it lives in the water and it doesn't want the venom diluted after an attack...
I do not know what Lactrodectas is, but the Brazilian huntsman (wandering spider) is the most poisonous if I remember correctly. The Funnel web is another nasty one. Black widows really aren't that toxic and brown recluses are even less so (although the widows can be rather fatal if they bite multiple times and the recluses can make some nasty permanent damage and all that) but they're famous because they're the only potentially deadly spiders in the United States. I really don't know that much about scorpions...
Tarantulas would probably only make you sick...
Bulldog ants are the toxic ones...
Not sure about the other insects really. There's the famed tseste(SP) fly though...
Might as well give up on mammals though. The platypus is mildly poisonous as is some type of shrew, but nothing really cool...
(Me)
From the information you've added and what I checked out this
morning we can compile this list of potential poison creatures, to
create magic cards.
Where do they if on the color wheel?
octopus...(blue)
Box jellies...(blue)
stonefish...(blue)
poison dart frog
wandering spider
Funnel web
Bulldog ant
Filaria
In Guatemala and Mexico there is a similar
parasite which can reach a length up to
50 cm. Its poison causes visual impairments,
even loss of sight, convulsions, muscle pain,
sleeplessness.
Latrodectas spider
The bite causes a little red spot, which disappears
quickly. In 10-15 min occurs a strong sharp pain
accompanied by vomiting, fever, tingling of the limbs,
dizziness, panicking, shortage of breath, and seizures.
The face turns blue, the pulse gets arrhythmic and
the urine contains albumen/ proteins and blood. If no
treatment is received, the bitten one dies within 1-2 days.
Beetle-bombardier...(red)
When the beetle is in danger, great amount of
substances secreted in the both chambers get
into the antechamber, where runs a rapid
chemical reaction. The temperature rises to
100º and the beetle fires the liquid through
his anus in up to 30 cm distance with an
enviable archery skill. Some species can produce
15-20 consequent shots. The poison is extremely
dangerous for the eyes and the mucous membrane.
Termite...(white)
(The secretion contains benzochinon and triens
and quickly reacts with the air and gets thick.
The limbs of the victim clot so it is paralysed.)
Their collective defense is incredible.
Proteroglyphs are some of the deadliest snakes in the world.
Cobras
mambas....(black)
kraits
taipans
coral snakes
sea snakes...(blue)
potentially deadly snakes
Boomslang
Mangrove snake...(blue & green)
pitvipers...(black & red?)
Hopefully we can get all of the creative CPA minds on this and
come up with some new poison cards and possible mech.
Asp's Grasp (2G)
Sorcery
Target player gets 2 poison counters.
Reef Stonefish
2U
Creature-Fish
2/2
Whenever Reef Stonefish deals combat damage to a
player he of she gets two poison counters.
Anti-Venom (1W)
Enchantment
W: Remove a poison counter from target player.
Giant Funnel-web
3G
Creature-Giant Spider
1/3
Whenever Giant Funnel-web deals combat damage to a
player he of she gets X poison counters. Where X is
equal to Giant Funnel-webs power.
Noxoius Pitviper
1BB
Creature-Snake
2/1
1BB: Until end of turn, Noxoius Pitviper gains fear.
Whenever Dauti Pitviper deals combat damage to a player her
or she gets a poison counter.(add reminder text)
Toxic Vines
G
Creature-Wall
0/3
You may play this spell for 2 generic mana instead of
its mana cost. Gain a poison counter: add two mana
of any color to your mana pool. Play this ability only
once each turn.
Fer-de Lance
1G
Creature-Snake
1/1
1G: Put a poison counter on Fer-de Lance.
Whenever Fer-de lance deals combat damage to a
player he of she gets X poison counters. Where X is
equal to the number of poison counters on Fer-de Lance.
Strychnos Toxifera
2GG
Creature-Plant
0/2
2, Sacrifice a Forest: Target players gets a poison counter.
Toxic Venom (X1G)
Sorcery
X creatures get, "Whenever this creature deals combat damage
to a player, that player receives one poison counter."
Uber-Snake
1GG
Creature-Snake
Doublestrike
Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, that
player receives one poison counter. Whenever ~this~ blocks or
becomes blocked by a non-Wall creature, destroy that creature.
0/2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Oversoul and I are having a conversation about
the Poison mech and I/we? got to wondering if
the mech could be improved so we could have
playable poison cards, atleast for casual
play. Below is part of our conversation. Please
chime in with your ideas and thoughts.
(Oversoul)
But it might be nice to see the poison counter mechanic revamped, as it's just too weak right now even for casual play...
Well, I guess that maybe nothing is too weak for casual play...
But still...
(Me)
Your so right about the poison mech.
Why don't we try to develop a cycle of cards with that mech.
something we think should be playable.
Some rares, uncommons and commons;
Black
Blue
Green
Red
White: remove poison counters(healer)?
Gold:
Artifact:
(Oversoul)
White had Leeches I know, but it's VERY bad (which is why it found a spot as a secondary kill condition in Relentless Pony)...
Black had some poisonous attackers, but they were only mildly evasive and pretty weak too. Um, Crypt Cobra, Swamp Mosquito, Pit Scorpion, and Suq'Ata Assassin (I think) were the ones I remember. Something like Pit Scorpion could kill really quickly with something like Mind over Matter and Quicksilver Dagger, but that was redundant...
The green ones were better sometimes. Sabertooth Cobra was slightly more dangerous than the black poisoners and then there was Marsh Viper. Marsh Viper is more along the lines of an actual good card, if it had been more supported by the other poison cards. It's tiny for its cost, but it only needs to swing five times by itself to kill, and it doesn't need to do the damage in combat either...
Serpent Generator was the artifact, but it was a silly card...
I can remember all of these, because Al0ysiusHWWW used to have all of them (except Leeches) in his B/G "Arabian Venom" deck. He even thought up a U/G "Poison-Gro" deck to try to capitalize on Marsh Viper and Sabertooth Cobra, but didn't have a lot of the cards he needed and the thing never got tested anyway...
I've seen quite a few people try poison builds, mostly without success, since the cards just aren't good worth it, mainly...
I like the idea of making the poison mechanic more elaborate, maybe by expanding it to the other colors (perhaps blue could move the counters). And there could be some black cards that give you poison counters (in larger numbers than one, of course) as a drawback. Or a sorcery that just adds a poison counter directly onto an opponent...
I can't think of what red would do though, as nothing seems to fit the flavor, except maybe some sort of poison purging Leeches type card (but not as sucky)...
(Me)
Ok, I did a quick search for poisonous creatures and found these.
The "*" means its pretty dangerous. Maybe we can get enough
ideas from these to make some play worthy poison creatures.
Please help me divide them up into the color wheel.
Invertebrates:
Caterpillar
Filaria
Marine Animals:
Cone Shell
Blue Bottle
Blue-ringed Octopus
Box Jellyfish*
Lion-fish
Sea Scorpion
Stingray
Stonefish*
Amphibians:
Poison dart frog
Salamander
Reptiles:
Coral snake
Gila monster
Rattlesnake
Sea snake
Arachinds:
Black widow
Brown recluse spider
Latrodectas*
Scorpion
Trantula
Sydney Funnel web*
Insects:
Ant
Beetle-bombardier
Honeybee
Scolopendra*
Spanish fly
Termite
Wasp
Mammal:
Platypus
Soricidae
Other Snakes:
Cobra
Mamba
Kraits
Elapids
(Oversoul)
Looking at your list and the ones marked with * as most dangerous, I can see that it's probably based primarily on which ones are more viscious than which ones are more poisonous...
Filaria are parasitic worms and I don't know anything about them being poisonous, but I wouldn't doubt it...
The octopus by the way is very cool. It's relatively deadly. It has fast acting poison, and the wound is almost impossible to find because the bite is practically an injection...
Box jellies are extremely deadly. Although one silly thing I remember reading said that the stinging cells they have can't penetrate women's hosiary...
As far as fishies go, you're dead on about putting * on the stonefish. It's highly aggresive, and basically kills whatever it stings. A fully grown human could probably survive the others assuming s/he were pulled out of the water or something, but the stonefish is very lethal...
The amphibians don't have any *'s on them I notice, but FYI, the kokoi poison dart frog is the most poisonous animal on the planet, I think...
As far as the reptiles go, the sea snake is far more poisonous than the others. This is because it needs concentrated venom, since it lives in the water and it doesn't want the venom diluted after an attack...
I do not know what Lactrodectas is, but the Brazilian huntsman (wandering spider) is the most poisonous if I remember correctly. The Funnel web is another nasty one. Black widows really aren't that toxic and brown recluses are even less so (although the widows can be rather fatal if they bite multiple times and the recluses can make some nasty permanent damage and all that) but they're famous because they're the only potentially deadly spiders in the United States. I really don't know that much about scorpions...
Tarantulas would probably only make you sick...
Bulldog ants are the toxic ones...
Not sure about the other insects really. There's the famed tseste(SP) fly though...
Might as well give up on mammals though. The platypus is mildly poisonous as is some type of shrew, but nothing really cool...
(Me)
From the information you've added and what I checked out this
morning we can compile this list of potential poison creatures, to
create magic cards.
Where do they if on the color wheel?
octopus...(blue)
Box jellies...(blue)
stonefish...(blue)
poison dart frog
wandering spider
Funnel web
Bulldog ant
Filaria
In Guatemala and Mexico there is a similar
parasite which can reach a length up to
50 cm. Its poison causes visual impairments,
even loss of sight, convulsions, muscle pain,
sleeplessness.
Latrodectas spider
The bite causes a little red spot, which disappears
quickly. In 10-15 min occurs a strong sharp pain
accompanied by vomiting, fever, tingling of the limbs,
dizziness, panicking, shortage of breath, and seizures.
The face turns blue, the pulse gets arrhythmic and
the urine contains albumen/ proteins and blood. If no
treatment is received, the bitten one dies within 1-2 days.
Beetle-bombardier...(red)
When the beetle is in danger, great amount of
substances secreted in the both chambers get
into the antechamber, where runs a rapid
chemical reaction. The temperature rises to
100º and the beetle fires the liquid through
his anus in up to 30 cm distance with an
enviable archery skill. Some species can produce
15-20 consequent shots. The poison is extremely
dangerous for the eyes and the mucous membrane.
Termite...(white)
(The secretion contains benzochinon and triens
and quickly reacts with the air and gets thick.
The limbs of the victim clot so it is paralysed.)
Their collective defense is incredible.
Proteroglyphs are some of the deadliest snakes in the world.
Cobras
mambas....(black)
kraits
taipans
coral snakes
sea snakes...(blue)
potentially deadly snakes
Boomslang
Mangrove snake...(blue & green)
pitvipers...(black & red?)
Hopefully we can get all of the creative CPA minds on this and
come up with some new poison cards and possible mech.
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