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From everything I've been told and learned from these places, the state doesn't run religion in china, like another government branch, but rather keeps close tabs on it so that subversive groups in the guise of religion can be dealt with properly. This is as close to first hand knowledge as I have, but I think its fairly good since its coming from people from China.
I doubt he was doing that though which is why I think that there was probably something more behind it then just being catholic.
This causes the problem of not being able to tell "good protestor" from "bad protestor" which can often lead to chaos. Humans are known for doing strange things in large groups, such as peaceful protests turned violent and rioting.
This is very true, however it also brings up the question of, perhaps the pilots did send a distress call, but because of damage to the communications equipment China never recieved it. This would in essence make both parties right simply because of a technical malfunction.The problem with satellites is that they would probably have to have
been focused specifically on the area to get the details needed to
determine "fault. And apparently the spy plane was "badly damaged", so
who knows what antennas were operating and at what strength.
Well, I'm a shinto-buddist for starters and have studied eastern philosophy and religion in two different cities. One being Vancouver which has a huge Chinese and asian population. I have also been to buddist temples in Vancouver and spoken with the monks there who run them.I have to ask you the same question: Do you have first-hand knowledge or some source that says this? From the article I read, state-run religion is not really "freedom of religion".
From everything I've been told and learned from these places, the state doesn't run religion in china, like another government branch, but rather keeps close tabs on it so that subversive groups in the guise of religion can be dealt with properly. This is as close to first hand knowledge as I have, but I think its fairly good since its coming from people from China.
This is true as well, however I find that local attitude and government stance while of much different magnitudes are equally important to freedom. Since China has not up and said flatly, "No" to other religions then I don't find it so horrid. They may not let you build churches and temples, but at least they let you believe what you wish in peace to a degree. There are several places in the world worse then China about religion as I'm sure we all know. The fact that china is somewhat of an isolationist country and yet is still taking steps to open itself up is a good thing to me. Its just doing it in allowable steps which I have nothing wrong with. Just my opinion though.I think I specifically stated "religions that other countries observe" (other being a good many). I have no opinion on whether wiccan is a religion or not, but "people giving you dirty looks and harassing" is different from the federal government locking you up. One's a local attitude, the other is the offical government's stance.
As a matter of fact, no, you can't preach in pubic, at least not so far as I know. Things such as that as supposed to be kept in official places of worship such as missions.Why must he have done something more? And what, you can't preach in public? No, I don't have another source; any more information would be welcomed.
I doubt he was doing that though which is why I think that there was probably something more behind it then just being catholic.
I did read that part actually, but thought nothing of it really. China foots the bills for it and thats basically about it, they don't include it in their daily lives in the same way that say, Islamic Law, does in the middle east. The fact that they're branch of cathlocism has renounced the pope and vatican was of little relevance to me as they are far from the first group to do that. Though I will say that having the vatican choosen chinese saints declared traitors was going really far. But as they haven't hunted them down and executed them, then I think it was just government muscle flexing more then anything else. They'll allow things to grow, but only at a rate they can handle.You didn't read the article closely enough to see that China has a STATE-RUN Catholic church, which is NOT the separation of the state and religion.
The demonstrators at T. Square weren't peaceful, or rather, the ones who were really there to demonstrate were, but others in the crowds were not. Its the same situation that happened in Seattle and Quebec. The true demonstrators were there to protest, but with most large protests, they draw things such as government unsurpers and anarchists looking for ways to attack the governments.As far as I know, the T. Square demonstrators were PEACEFUL. Some of the WTO demonstrators WERE NOT. And that is the difference.
This causes the problem of not being able to tell "good protestor" from "bad protestor" which can often lead to chaos. Humans are known for doing strange things in large groups, such as peaceful protests turned violent and rioting.
I hadn't heard this, though it raises an interesting thought of what did the chinese get out of it. I'm sure the US wants to find out pretty badly.Recent news reports have said the crew admitted NOT being able to completely destroy all the spy equipment on the plane. It is presumed the Chinese have gotten something useful out of it.