Alternate title from another forum: "I play Games to win" Allow me to state my point: When I sit down and play a game of Magic I expect to win e.g. I play to win. However, I sometimes get the feeling that some gamers will use the term "fun" as in "I play Magic to have fun", instead of 'win' as a way of somehow excusing themselves from playing better or more efficiently. Another feeling I get sometimes from gamers is that it's somehow "dirty" to feel good about playing with a 'winning' attitude. I say it's okay to play to win. What has come to light in another forum where this was disscussed is the "How" you play to win, which of course, is an entirely different point. This issue is somewhat reminicent of the whole "Casual vs. Competetive".