Favorite Type 2 Grizzly Bear

Discussion in 'CPA Voting Forum' started by Sammy Dead-O, May 22, 2001.


My favorite standard grizzly creature is...

Fresh Volunteers 0 vote(s) 0.0%
Knight Errant 1 vote(s) 3.6%
Longbow Archer 5 vote(s) 17.9%
Steadfast Guard 3 vote(s) 10.7%
Cloudskate 3 vote(s) 10.7%
Lord of Atlantis 1 vote(s) 3.6%
Sapphire Leech 3 vote(s) 10.7%
Foul Imp 2 vote(s) 7.1%
Spineless Thug 0 vote(s) 0.0%
Whipstitched Zombie 5 vote(s) 17.9%
Goblin Elite Infantry 3 vote(s) 10.7%
Goblin Raider 0 vote(s) 0.0%
Mogg Jailer 0 vote(s) 0.0%
Mogg Toady 0 vote(s) 0.0%
Ruby Leech 0 vote(s) 0.0%
Deepwood Elder 0 vote(s) 0.0%
Grizzly Bears 0 vote(s) 0.0%
Nomadic Elf 0 vote(s) 0.0%
Kavu Titan 0 vote(s) 0.0%
Vintara Snapper 0 vote(s) 0.0%
Galina's Knight 0 vote(s) 0.0%
Llanowar Knight 0 vote(s) 0.0%
Meddling Mage 0 vote(s) 0.0%
Shivan Zombie 2 vote(s) 7.1%
Vodalian Zombie 0 vote(s) 0.0%
Yavimaya Barbarian 0 vote(s) 0.0%
  1. Sammy Dead-O wasting away again

    Before the spiffy new enemy-color bears come in with Apocalypse, I wanted to find out what 2/2 for 2 everyone likes the most in the current Type 2.
  2. Sammy Dead-O wasting away again

    I voted for Goblin Raider, by the way. I'm very happy to have a goblin bear in standard. I can't wait for Goblin Legionnaire and Razorfin Hunter...
  3. terzarima New Member

    Hey, you missed Vanilla Ice, Knight Errant!! It gets my vote!
  4. Ephrils This Space For Rent

    I don't know about some of the poll choices, but the Grizzley Bear mold is basically something like a 2/2 for 2 with no abilities. The Kavu Titan(unkicked) is the only from that list that acturately fits the mold to me. I guess Balduvian Bears weren't on there because they're the same eh? :p

    Longbow Archer is more of a Black Knight recurrance. So are the newer ones I think Apocolypse has. That mold usually gives the creature a Pro:color for the same amount.
  5. Dementia CPA's Chair Wielding Maniac

    I thought the Grizzly Bear term refered to any 2/2 for 2 mana, but I'm wrong a lot:)

    Anyway, I choose those multicolor grizzly bears cause Yavi Barbarian is so good against blue.

    May not be as good as River Boa overall, but it gives blue just as big a headache

    And before you question my choice let me just say "YES. I judge ever cards usefulness by how bad it screws over blue:D"
  6. Namielus Phrexian Plaguelord

    Crystallen silver;
    lol Zadok001 is gonna kill me for metioning that one again...
  7. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    I believe Ephrils is correct; it's like calling something a Gray Ogre (or Pearled Unicorm) when it's 3 mana for 2/2 and no special abilities.

    Having not thought about it until I read the thread though, I voted for Longbow Archer, mostly because I'm not familiar with most of the other creatures :)
  8. Ransac CPA Trash Man

    I like nomadic elf the best, not that it's the best card up there, but because it's a bear with a little bit more.

    Ransac, cpa trash man
  9. Cateran Emperor Passed On

    Any creature that is 2/2 for two mana = a Grizzly Bear.
    Other things that you can call a creature:
    2/2 for three = Grey Ogre
    3/3 for four = Hill Giant
    1/1 for one = Mons' 'insert creature type'

    Other abilities don't matter.

    I voted Cloudskate, but I don't know why. I just love the little thing for a reason that I can't explain.
  10. Sammy Dead-O wasting away again

    I've usually heard/read/used "grizzly bear" as a term meaning any 2/2 for 2. If it has abilities (or drawbacks), I just consider it a nonstandard bear. David Price wrote a bit about it in the most recent Sideboard, BTW. I think Plato also mentioned the form of the grizzly somewhere, but I'm not sure which dialogue it's in.;)

    Meanwhile, Balduvian Bears aren't on the list cuz they're not T2.

    Dementia: Using your method, I'm guessing Blurred Mongoose would be the best bear ever if it just had one extra toughness...

    ademis22: Vanilla Ice...that's funny:). Did you come up with that?

    I can't believe the Cloudskate is doing so well in the poll so far...I'm glad, though...I'm quite the ray fan...
  11. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    I think having abilities matter. I mean, the only reason why a Grizzly Bear is so good is because for 2 mana, you get a standard 2/2 creature. No other color has that; they cost at least 3 mana like the Pearled Unicorn and Gray Ogre. I mean, you don't call a Suq'Ata Lancer a "Gray Ogre", it costs the same and is 2/2 but is SO much better.

    IMO, that's why these tag names stuck: because they refer to standard creatures with NO abilities (which is why in constructed the Bear is the most useful).
  12. Killer Joe Active Member

    "Grizzly Bear, oh, Grizzly Bear
    A sleeping in a cave.
    Grizzly Bear, oh, Grizzly Bear
    A sleeping in a cave.
    Please be very quiet
    Very, very quiet
    If you wake him
    Should you shake him
    He'll be very MAD!"

    IMO, a "Grizzly Bear" (a generic name for others like him) is a 2/2 creature for 1 colored-mana and 1 colorless, and has NO special abilities.
    For Example:
    Fresh Volunteers
    Grizzly Bear
    Knight Errant
    Balduvian Bears
    Bear Cub (Portal :))

    However, there aren't many examples of these so, close similies should be considered.
    For Example:
    Spineless Thug
    Goblin Elite
    Nomadic Elf

    On a different angle, "Grizzly Bears" with a double Colored mana cost should be put in a category all of their own.
    For Example:
    Lord of Atlantis
    Longbow Archer
    Eladamri, Lord of Leaves
    Steadfast Soldier

    How about the Gold cards from Invasion and Apocalypse? They're casting cost is two but different colors.
    For Example:
    Voldalian Zombie
    Gaea's Skyfolk
    Yavimaya Barbarian

    HUH? Whatever.
  13. Dune Echo CPA Founder, Idea Man

    Here's the complete list of 2/2 creatures for 2 mana legal in Standard today, partially brought to you by MTGnews.com:

    Fresh Volunteers - "True Grizzly Bears"
    Knight Errant - "True Grizzly Bears" (nice job on the 'Vanilla Ice' nickname BTW)
    Longbow Archer - "Most efficient Bears"
    Steadfast Guard - "Bears Without Fear"

    Cloudskate - "Flying Bears"
    Lord of Atlantis - "Swimming Bears"
    Sapphire Leech - "Expensive Flying Bears"

    Foul Imp - "Flying Bears That Bite Back"
    Spineless Thug - "Scaredy Bears"
    Whipstitched Zombie - "Expensive Bears"

    Goblin Elite Infantry - "Scaredy Bears"
    Goblin Raider - "Scaredy Bears"
    Mogg Jailer - "Scaredy Bears"
    Mogg Toady - "Scaredy Bears"
    Ruby Leech - "Expensive Bears"

    Deepwood Elder - no funny name for this one?
    Grizzly Bears - True "Grizzly Bears" obviously
    Nomadic Elf - "Rainbow Bears"
    Kavu Titan - "Don't-Piss-These-Bears-Off Bears"
    Vintara Snapper - "Can't Touch This Bears" (Ah, the early 90's was an interesting time period for music, don't you think?)

    Galina’s Knight - "Efficient Bears"
    Llanowar Knight - "Efficient Bears"
    Meddling Mage - "'I SAID NO!' Bears"
    Shivan Zombie - "Efficient Bears"
    Vodalian Zombie - "Efficient Bears"
    Yavimaya Barbarian - "Efficient Bears"

    Of course, this list doesn't include Apocalypse. That would make this list quite a bit longer, and even perhaps more amusing to read. This also does not include the 2/1 creatures abundant right now.
  14. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    Those are some great nicknames. Did you come up with those or are they from mtgnews?
  15. Gizmo Composite: 1860

    Lord Of Atlantis by about this much:
  16. Dune Echo CPA Founder, Idea Man

    Spiderman: I made those up myself. Thanks for finding them to be funny. I just got the list of creatures for everything except 7th from MTGnews. As soon as the Apocalypse spoiler is confirmed, I'll go ahead and add in the others. I'm sure we can come up with some amusing names for the Llanowar Dead and Goblin Legionaire cards.

    Gizmo: I'm confused, does this mean Lord of Atlantis is your favorite by a lot or a little?

    Anyway this thread can be edited to include the entire list?
  17. Ephrils This Space For Rent

    I agree with Yellowjacket.

    The mana cost, and abilities do matter. One colored, and 1 colorless for a 2/2 with no special abilities is the typical Bear mold.

    When you add in another ability or change the casting cost to 2 colored mana instead, an older card tends to fit the bill better. I mentioned it earlier with the Longbow Archer/Black Knight comparison. I consider those 2 to be closer to each other than to a Grizzley.

    Longbow Archer
    First strike, can block flying

    White Knight
    First strike, Pro Black

    Here you get 2 special abilities with for roughly the same cost as a Grizzley. The notable differece that make them closer to the Knights than the Bears is that they cost 2 colored mana instead of a colorless. Which is the same reason why I think the newer cards resembling them are like these more than the Grizzley Bear. The steadfast Guard would also fit them closer, because of it's 2 mana, same colored type casting cost. The reason I don't really consider these all the same aside from this, is that it's a lot easier to add 1W then WW to a deck that tries to use the same creature is as many decktypes as possible. It's a lot easier to figure out the mana curve that way, and would make one slightly more eeffieicent than the other, other with nothing special about it, than for something with a slightly more, but minute, casting cost.
  18. Duel Has Less Posts Than Spiderman

    Longbow Archers, probably. Not that they're the best, that goes to Lord of Atlantis or Meddling Mage, but until 2 months ago, I had never seen one, and I opened one and my mouth fell open and I started to drool. I have 3, now all I need is somewhere to use them...
  19. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    Dune Echo: You should be able to edit the thread yourself since you're a Founder. If it's a post, hit the edit/delete button on the bottom of the post. If it's the thread, hit Edit on the list of blue options down towards the bottom on the right.

    If you're having problems let me know and I can do it for you.
  20. Dune Echo CPA Founder, Idea Man

    Spiderman: Thanks, it worked fine.

    Sammy Dead-O: I went ahead and included all the legal creatures in Type II in your poll. I kept all the original vote counts. However, there is 1 unaccounted vote for the Invasion "Bears." (There's only one, because one of them was mine, someone else stated they voted for Yavimaya Barbarian.) Whomever voted for those needs to let me know, and I'll edit the votes in.

    Everybody: This is a good thread, why don't we have more discussions like this? It harkens back to the old days of "The Art of Beatdown" thread.

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