Commander 2019: Spidey (Primal Genesis) vs Mooseman (Mystic Intellect)
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No, it obviously helps me 
Just trying to be fair and make sure of everything.
I forgot to untap everything as I was concentrating on the copy question
Forest
Use the Vat to make a Manticore copy
Responses?
Spidey: 7
Dmg from commander: 0/21
Hand: 6
Library: 63
Command Zone (cast twice): 2RGW
Battlefield:
(T,U,U,U,U) Plains x5
(T,U,U,U,U,U) Forest x6
(T,U,U) Mt x3
(U) Gruul Turf (~ ETB tapped.; When ~ ETB, return a land I control to its owner's hand.; T: Add RG to my mana pool)
(U) Blossoming Sands (~ ETB tapped.; When ~ ETB, I gain 1 life.; T: Add G or W to my mana pool)
Colossal Majesty (At the beginning of my upkeep, if I control a creature with power 4 or greater, draw a card)
(T) Mimic Vat (Imprint-Whenever a nontoken creature dies, I may exile that card. If I do, return each other card exiled with ~ to its owners graveyard.; 3, T: Create a token that's a copy of a card exiled with ~. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step)
(U) Bird creature token (3/3; Flying)
(U) Bird creature token (3/3; Flying)
(U) Bird creature token (3/3; Flying)
(U) Feldon of the Third Path (2/3; 2R, T: Create a token that's a copy of target creature card in my graveyard, except it's an artifact in addition to its other types. It gains haste. Sac it at the beginning of the next end step)
(U) Ghired, Conclave Exile (Legendary Creature-Human Shaman; 2/5; When ~ ETB, create a 4/4 green Rhino creature token w/trample.; Whenever ~ attacks, populate. The token ETB tapped and attacking (To populate, create a token that's a copy of a creature token I control))
(U) Rhino creature token (4/4)
(U) Heart-Piercer Manticore (4/3; When ~ ETB, I may sac another creature. If I do, ~ deals dmg equal to that creature's power to any target.; Embalm 5R (5R, Exile this card from my graveyard: Create a token that's a copy of it, except it's a white Zombie Manticore w/no mana cost. Embalm only as a sorcery))
Graveyard: Soul Foundry, Krosan Verge, Farseek, Song of the Worldsoul , Evolving Wilds, Myriad Landscape
Exile: Atla Palani-Nest Tender, Heart-Piercer Manticore (Vated), Beast Within, Roc Egg
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Mooseman: 8
Dmg from commander: 0/21
Hand: 3
Library: 75
Command Zone (cast once): 2URW Sevinne, the Chronoclasm (Human Wizard, 2/2, Prevent all damage that would be dealt to ~. Whenever you cast your first instant or sorcery spell from your graveyard each turn, copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy)
Battlefield:
(U) Plains
(T) Island
(U) Mountain
(T) Azorius Chancery (, L, ~ ETB tapped. When ~ comes into play, return a land you control to its owner's hand. T: Add WU to your mana pool.)
(U) Prairie Stream (Plains Island, L, ETB Tapped, unless you control 2 or more basic lands. T:U or W)
(U) Izzet Guildgate (Gate, L, ETB Tapped. T: U or R)
(T) Ash Barrens (, L, {T}: Add {C} to your mana pool. Basic landcycling {1} ({1}, Discard this card: Search your library for a basic land card, reveal it, and put it into your hand. Then shuffle your library.))
Ghostly Prison (E, Creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays 2 for each creature they control that's attacking you. )
(U) Guttersnipe (Goblin Shaman, 2/2, Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, ~ deals 2 damage to each opponent.)
Graveyard: Terramorphic Expanse, Faithless Looting (FB:2R),Divine Reckoning (FB: 5WW), Fervent Denial (FB:5UU), Mandate of Peace, Farm // Market(Aftermath 2U), Wall of Stolen Identity, Dusk/Dawn(AM:3WW), Pramikon, Sky Rampart
Exile: Ray of Distortion(FB 4WW), Purify the Grave FB(W)), Mass Diminish (FB:3U),
Just trying to be fair and make sure of everything.I forgot to untap everything as I was concentrating on the copy question
Forest
Use the Vat to make a Manticore copy
Responses?
Spidey: 7
Dmg from commander: 0/21
Hand: 6
Library: 63
Command Zone (cast twice): 2RGW
Battlefield:
(T,U,U,U,U) Plains x5
(T,U,U,U,U,U) Forest x6
(T,U,U) Mt x3
(U) Gruul Turf (~ ETB tapped.; When ~ ETB, return a land I control to its owner's hand.; T: Add RG to my mana pool)
(U) Blossoming Sands (~ ETB tapped.; When ~ ETB, I gain 1 life.; T: Add G or W to my mana pool)
Colossal Majesty (At the beginning of my upkeep, if I control a creature with power 4 or greater, draw a card)
(T) Mimic Vat (Imprint-Whenever a nontoken creature dies, I may exile that card. If I do, return each other card exiled with ~ to its owners graveyard.; 3, T: Create a token that's a copy of a card exiled with ~. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step)
(U) Bird creature token (3/3; Flying)
(U) Bird creature token (3/3; Flying)
(U) Bird creature token (3/3; Flying)
(U) Feldon of the Third Path (2/3; 2R, T: Create a token that's a copy of target creature card in my graveyard, except it's an artifact in addition to its other types. It gains haste. Sac it at the beginning of the next end step)
(U) Ghired, Conclave Exile (Legendary Creature-Human Shaman; 2/5; When ~ ETB, create a 4/4 green Rhino creature token w/trample.; Whenever ~ attacks, populate. The token ETB tapped and attacking (To populate, create a token that's a copy of a creature token I control))
(U) Rhino creature token (4/4)
(U) Heart-Piercer Manticore (4/3; When ~ ETB, I may sac another creature. If I do, ~ deals dmg equal to that creature's power to any target.; Embalm 5R (5R, Exile this card from my graveyard: Create a token that's a copy of it, except it's a white Zombie Manticore w/no mana cost. Embalm only as a sorcery))
Graveyard: Soul Foundry, Krosan Verge, Farseek, Song of the Worldsoul , Evolving Wilds, Myriad Landscape
Exile: Atla Palani-Nest Tender, Heart-Piercer Manticore (Vated), Beast Within, Roc Egg
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Mooseman: 8
Dmg from commander: 0/21
Hand: 3
Library: 75
Command Zone (cast once): 2URW Sevinne, the Chronoclasm (Human Wizard, 2/2, Prevent all damage that would be dealt to ~. Whenever you cast your first instant or sorcery spell from your graveyard each turn, copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy)
Battlefield:
(U) Plains
(T) Island
(U) Mountain
(T) Azorius Chancery (, L, ~ ETB tapped. When ~ comes into play, return a land you control to its owner's hand. T: Add WU to your mana pool.)
(U) Prairie Stream (Plains Island, L, ETB Tapped, unless you control 2 or more basic lands. T:U or W)
(U) Izzet Guildgate (Gate, L, ETB Tapped. T: U or R)
(T) Ash Barrens (, L, {T}: Add {C} to your mana pool. Basic landcycling {1} ({1}, Discard this card: Search your library for a basic land card, reveal it, and put it into your hand. Then shuffle your library.))
Ghostly Prison (E, Creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays 2 for each creature they control that's attacking you. )
(U) Guttersnipe (Goblin Shaman, 2/2, Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, ~ deals 2 damage to each opponent.)
Graveyard: Terramorphic Expanse, Faithless Looting (FB:2R),Divine Reckoning (FB: 5WW), Fervent Denial (FB:5UU), Mandate of Peace, Farm // Market(Aftermath 2U), Wall of Stolen Identity, Dusk/Dawn(AM:3WW), Pramikon, Sky Rampart
Exile: Ray of Distortion(FB 4WW), Purify the Grave FB(W)), Mass Diminish (FB:3U),
Whoops, my bad about the draw. Putting it back
No saccing of anyone when it ETB.
Oversoul stopped (or hasn't been on) since the last posts in the Rules so I'll keep going as we assume the copy of a token is at "full strength".
Attack with everyone but Feldon and pay 12, Ghired triggers and creates a full strength Rhino token. It and the Manticore copy are the only ones at full strength (I starred them for reference)
Responses/blocks/game?
Spidey: 7
Dmg from commander: 0/21
Hand: 5
Library: 64
Command Zone (cast twice): 2RGW
Battlefield:
(T,T,T,T,T) Plains x5
(T,T,T,T,T,T) Forest x6
(T,T,T) Mt x3
(U) Gruul Turf (~ ETB tapped.; When ~ ETB, return a land I control to its owner's hand.; T: Add RG to my mana pool)
(T) Blossoming Sands (~ ETB tapped.; When ~ ETB, I gain 1 life.; T: Add G or W to my mana pool)
Colossal Majesty (At the beginning of my upkeep, if I control a creature with power 4 or greater, draw a card)
(T) Mimic Vat (Imprint-Whenever a nontoken creature dies, I may exile that card. If I do, return each other card exiled with ~ to its owners graveyard.; 3, T: Create a token that's a copy of a card exiled with ~. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step)
(T,A) Bird creature token (3/3; Flying)
(T,A) Bird creature token (3/3; Flying)
(T,A) Bird creature token (3/3; Flying)
(U) Feldon of the Third Path (2/3; 2R, T: Create a token that's a copy of target creature card in my graveyard, except it's an artifact in addition to its other types. It gains haste. Sac it at the beginning of the next end step)
(T,A) Ghired, Conclave Exile (Legendary Creature-Human Shaman; 2/5; When ~ ETB, create a 4/4 green Rhino creature token w/trample.; Whenever ~ attacks, populate. The token ETB tapped and attacking (To populate, create a token that's a copy of a creature token I control))
(T,A) Rhino creature token (4/4)
*(T,A) Rhino creature token (4/4)
*(T,A) Heart-Piercer Manticore (4/3; When ~ ETB, I may sac another creature. If I do, ~ deals dmg equal to that creature's power to any target.; Embalm 5R (5R, Exile this card from my graveyard: Create a token that's a copy of it, except it's a white Zombie Manticore w/no mana cost. Embalm only as a sorcery))
Graveyard: Soul Foundry, Krosan Verge, Farseek, Song of the Worldsoul , Evolving Wilds, Myriad Landscape
Exile: Atla Palani-Nest Tender, Heart-Piercer Manticore (Vated), Beast Within, Roc Egg
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Mooseman: 8
Dmg from commander: 0/21
Hand: 3
Library: 75
Command Zone (cast once): 2URW Sevinne, the Chronoclasm (Human Wizard, 2/2, Prevent all damage that would be dealt to ~. Whenever you cast your first instant or sorcery spell from your graveyard each turn, copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy)
Battlefield:
(U) Plains
(T) Island
(U) Mountain
(T) Azorius Chancery (, L, ~ ETB tapped. When ~ comes into play, return a land you control to its owner's hand. T: Add WU to your mana pool.)
(U) Prairie Stream (Plains Island, L, ETB Tapped, unless you control 2 or more basic lands. T:U or W)
(U) Izzet Guildgate (Gate, L, ETB Tapped. T: U or R)
(T) Ash Barrens (, L, {T}: Add {C} to your mana pool. Basic landcycling {1} ({1}, Discard this card: Search your library for a basic land card, reveal it, and put it into your hand. Then shuffle your library.))
Ghostly Prison (E, Creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays 2 for each creature they control that's attacking you. )
(U) Guttersnipe (Goblin Shaman, 2/2, Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, ~ deals 2 damage to each opponent.)
Graveyard: Terramorphic Expanse, Faithless Looting (FB:2R),Divine Reckoning (FB: 5WW), Fervent Denial (FB:5UU), Mandate of Peace, Farm // Market(Aftermath 2U), Wall of Stolen Identity, Dusk/Dawn(AM:3WW), Pramikon, Sky Rampart
Exile: Ray of Distortion(FB 4WW), Purify the Grave FB(W)), Mass Diminish (FB:3U),
No saccing of anyone when it ETB.
Oversoul stopped (or hasn't been on) since the last posts in the Rules so I'll keep going as we assume the copy of a token is at "full strength".
Attack with everyone but Feldon and pay 12, Ghired triggers and creates a full strength Rhino token. It and the Manticore copy are the only ones at full strength (I starred them for reference)
Responses/blocks/game?
Spidey: 7
Dmg from commander: 0/21
Hand: 5
Library: 64
Command Zone (cast twice): 2RGW
Battlefield:
(T,T,T,T,T) Plains x5
(T,T,T,T,T,T) Forest x6
(T,T,T) Mt x3
(U) Gruul Turf (~ ETB tapped.; When ~ ETB, return a land I control to its owner's hand.; T: Add RG to my mana pool)
(T) Blossoming Sands (~ ETB tapped.; When ~ ETB, I gain 1 life.; T: Add G or W to my mana pool)
Colossal Majesty (At the beginning of my upkeep, if I control a creature with power 4 or greater, draw a card)
(T) Mimic Vat (Imprint-Whenever a nontoken creature dies, I may exile that card. If I do, return each other card exiled with ~ to its owners graveyard.; 3, T: Create a token that's a copy of a card exiled with ~. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step)
(T,A) Bird creature token (3/3; Flying)
(T,A) Bird creature token (3/3; Flying)
(T,A) Bird creature token (3/3; Flying)
(U) Feldon of the Third Path (2/3; 2R, T: Create a token that's a copy of target creature card in my graveyard, except it's an artifact in addition to its other types. It gains haste. Sac it at the beginning of the next end step)
(T,A) Ghired, Conclave Exile (Legendary Creature-Human Shaman; 2/5; When ~ ETB, create a 4/4 green Rhino creature token w/trample.; Whenever ~ attacks, populate. The token ETB tapped and attacking (To populate, create a token that's a copy of a creature token I control))
(T,A) Rhino creature token (4/4)
*(T,A) Rhino creature token (4/4)
*(T,A) Heart-Piercer Manticore (4/3; When ~ ETB, I may sac another creature. If I do, ~ deals dmg equal to that creature's power to any target.; Embalm 5R (5R, Exile this card from my graveyard: Create a token that's a copy of it, except it's a white Zombie Manticore w/no mana cost. Embalm only as a sorcery))
Graveyard: Soul Foundry, Krosan Verge, Farseek, Song of the Worldsoul , Evolving Wilds, Myriad Landscape
Exile: Atla Palani-Nest Tender, Heart-Piercer Manticore (Vated), Beast Within, Roc Egg
===================================================================================
Mooseman: 8
Dmg from commander: 0/21
Hand: 3
Library: 75
Command Zone (cast once): 2URW Sevinne, the Chronoclasm (Human Wizard, 2/2, Prevent all damage that would be dealt to ~. Whenever you cast your first instant or sorcery spell from your graveyard each turn, copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy)
Battlefield:
(U) Plains
(T) Island
(U) Mountain
(T) Azorius Chancery (, L, ~ ETB tapped. When ~ comes into play, return a land you control to its owner's hand. T: Add WU to your mana pool.)
(U) Prairie Stream (Plains Island, L, ETB Tapped, unless you control 2 or more basic lands. T:U or W)
(U) Izzet Guildgate (Gate, L, ETB Tapped. T: U or R)
(T) Ash Barrens (, L, {T}: Add {C} to your mana pool. Basic landcycling {1} ({1}, Discard this card: Search your library for a basic land card, reveal it, and put it into your hand. Then shuffle your library.))
Ghostly Prison (E, Creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays 2 for each creature they control that's attacking you. )
(U) Guttersnipe (Goblin Shaman, 2/2, Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, ~ deals 2 damage to each opponent.)
Graveyard: Terramorphic Expanse, Faithless Looting (FB:2R),Divine Reckoning (FB: 5WW), Fervent Denial (FB:5UU), Mandate of Peace, Farm // Market(Aftermath 2U), Wall of Stolen Identity, Dusk/Dawn(AM:3WW), Pramikon, Sky Rampart
Exile: Ray of Distortion(FB 4WW), Purify the Grave FB(W)), Mass Diminish (FB:3U),
Mooseman
Isengar Tussle
Yeah, that's game. Good one. I could only draw 2 cards from Faithless looting and I got nothing that helps.
You got yours going very well.
I just didn't have enough land to get more spells cast for the guttersnipe.
I could have killed all the creatures with Rolling Temblor, but I had no other win conditions, so I was hoping to squeak another turn out with the gutter snipe.
You got yours going very well.
I just didn't have enough land to get more spells cast for the guttersnipe.
I could have killed all the creatures with Rolling Temblor, but I had no other win conditions, so I was hoping to squeak another turn out with the gutter snipe.
Oversoul
The Tentacled One
Sorry. Been pretty busy lately. I looked around a bit and it's possible that this question invokes layers, in which case I think you'd be right because the effect of copying something is in Layer 1 and the effect of changing a creature's base stats is in Layer 7b. But I'm not clear on whether the layer issue even comes up and layers are dumb anyway and I don't have the knowledge base to figure that one out. We need to lure real rules experts to this site.