Big Red vs Jolly Green Giant: Round 2

L

Limited

Guest
Yes, but more importantly, it would be highly annoying!

But it does beg the question; if you, as a team, are going to play with Winterorb, why distribute them over the two decks?
 
L

Limited

Guest
Sorta Untap, Upkeep, Draw

We both play a Mountain.

Oversoul plays another Mogg Flunkies.

Mogg Flunkies and Hurloon Shaman attack.

Block?

Big Red (38)
Limited's library: 50
Oversoul's library: 48
Limited's hand: 4
Oversoul's hand: 2

Limited's in-play:
-4x Mountain (UUTT)

(U) Cursed Totem
(T) Hurloon Shaman (2/3, when it dies every player sacs a land)

Oversoul's in-play:
-4x Mountain (T,T,T,T)
-2x Goblin Lackey (1/1, U, U)
-2x Mogg Flunkies (3/3, T, S)

Limited's graveyard:
Oversoul's graveyard: Bloodstained Mire, Goblin Lackey, Wooded Foothills

Limited's RFG:
Oversoul's RFG:

The Jolly Green Giant (40)
Spiderman's library: 50
Darthferret's library: 54
Spiderman's hand: 7
Darthferret's hand: 4

Spiderman's in-play:

(U) Forest

Darthferret's in-play:

(T,T,U) Forestx3

(U) Winter Orb

(U) Llanowar Elves (1/1)
(U) Llanowar Elves (1/1)

Spiderman's graveyard: Quicksand, Winter Orb
Darthferret's graveyard:

Spiderman's RFG:
Darthferret's RFG:
 

Spiderman

Administrator
Staff member
I have no blockers.

I think our thinking was that we wouldn't have to depend on one person to draw the Orbs, and it'd open up a couple of slots in both our decks if they were spread out.
 
L

Limited

Guest
Because you want to lock your opponents down with a Winter Orb, I would think you'd want to play it as early as possible: this means maximizing the chance that one of you has at least one in your starting hand.

The chance of getting at least one of two in the top seven cards seems so much smaller than the chance of getting at least one of four in top eight of your deck, it shouldn't help enough that you have two decks..

At least, that's what I think. I'll see if I can find the math to back it up.

Four Orbs in one deck
Out of 386206920 different possible hands of seven cards, provided that the deck has four Winter Orbs, there are 231917400 hands in which you do not hold a single Winter Orb.
So, a 60,05% change of not getting an Winter Orb in your opening hand

Two in two different deck
Per deck, there are 300674088 possible opening without an Orb, so 77,85% percent change.
So, the chance that both decks don't have an Orb in the openinghand is 60,61%

So, a slightly better chance of having one in your opening hand when you don't distribute them..

(I'm such a geek)
 
D

DarthFerret

Guest
Block the shaman with an llanowar, tap a forest, and play Wirewood Pride targeting the blocking elf (turning him into a 3/3).

by the way, limited, one reason that I am not playing with 4 of the orbs, is because I only have 2 and I am actually using a deck of cards to play this.....not apprentice or any other generator. Therefore my deck actually exists in real life!....<he he>
 
L

Limited

Guest
I have my deck in real life too! Only, because I don't want to carry it around with me (I have my own workstation at my university where I usually am during the daytime, but mostly post when I'm at home) I put in an Excell Sheet.

I do prefer real cardboard though :(

So, the Hurloon Shaman dies, every player sacs a land, and you take three damage?

Check if I've adjusted the board correctly and take your turn Greenies!

Big Red (38)
Limited's library: 50
Oversoul's library: 48
Limited's hand: 4
Oversoul's hand: 2

Limited's in-play:
-3x Mountain (UUT)

(U) Cursed Totem

Oversoul's in-play:
-3x Mountain (T,T,T)
-2x Goblin Lackey (1/1, U, U)
-2x Mogg Flunkies (3/3, T, S)

Limited's graveyard: Hurloon Shaman, Mountain
Oversoul's graveyard: Bloodstained Mire, Goblin Lackey, Wooded Foothills, Mountain

Limited's RFG:
Oversoul's RFG:

The Jolly Green Giant (37)
Spiderman's library: 50
Darthferret's library: 54
Spiderman's hand: 7
Darthferret's hand: 4

Spiderman's in-play:

(U)

Darthferret's in-play:

(T,T) Forestx2

(U) Winter Orb

(U) Llanowar Elves (1/1)
(U) Llanowar Elves (1/1)

Spiderman's graveyard: Quicksand, Winter Orb, Forest
Darthferret's graveyard: Wirewood Pride, Forest

Spiderman's RFG:
Darthferret's RFG:
 

Spiderman

Administrator
Staff member
Waiting on DF's turn...

I don't have my deck in real life, but I would only be missing a couple of cards. I did do it in Apprentice but didn't use any "power" cards as I usually try not to... if I ever do, I would use cards I already own (which would be Library of Alexandria).

I agree with the odds of four in one deck vs 2 in two decks, but I don't think locking you guys down with the Orb was a primary concern. Early defense was... although maybe that would change after this match's outcome :)
 

Oversoul

The Tentacled One
Heh. I don't know how much of this deck I have in real life, but most likely I'm missing quite a lot. There are a lot of cards I used to have that mysteriously disappeared when I sorted them for the ultimate drafting challenge. If I get enough extra cash, I'll have to restore my collection at some point...
 

Spiderman

Administrator
Staff member
Untap one Forest, upkeep, Draw, DF drops a Forest and I drop a Quicksand. Done.

Big Red (38)
Limited's library: 50
Oversoul's library: 48
Limited's hand: 4
Oversoul's hand: 2

Limited's in-play:
-3x Mountain (UUT)

(U) Cursed Totem

Oversoul's in-play:
-3x Mountain (T,T,T)
-2x Goblin Lackey (1/1, U, U)
-2x Mogg Flunkies (3/3, T, S)

Limited's graveyard: Hurloon Shaman, Mountain
Oversoul's graveyard: Bloodstained Mire, Goblin Lackey, Wooded Foothills, Mountain

Limited's RFG:
Oversoul's RFG:

The Jolly Green Giant (37)
Spiderman's library: 49
Darthferret's library: 53
Spiderman's hand: 7
Darthferret's hand: 4

Spiderman's in-play:

(U) Quicksand

Darthferret's in-play:

(T,U,U) Forestx3

(U) Winter Orb

(U) Llanowar Elves (1/1)
(U) Llanowar Elves (1/1)

Spiderman's graveyard: Quicksand, Winter Orb, Forest
Darthferret's graveyard: Wirewood Pride, Forest

Spiderman's RFG:
Darthferret's RFG:
 

Oversoul

The Tentacled One
We sort of untap, draw, and each drop a Mountain. I swing with both Flunkies. Done.

Big Red (38)
Limited's library: 49
Oversoul's library: 47
Limited's hand: 4
Oversoul's hand: 2

Limited's in-play:
-4x Mountain (UUUU)

(U) Cursed Totem

Oversoul's in-play:
-4x Mountain (U, U, T,T)
-2x Goblin Lackey (1/1, U, U)
-2x Mogg Flunkies (3/3, T, T)

Limited's graveyard: Hurloon Shaman, Mountain
Oversoul's graveyard: Bloodstained Mire, Goblin Lackey, Wooded Foothills, Mountain

Limited's RFG:
Oversoul's RFG:

The Jolly Green Giant (37)
Spiderman's library: 49
Darthferret's library: 53
Spiderman's hand: 7
Darthferret's hand: 4

Spiderman's in-play:

(U) Quicksand

Darthferret's in-play:

(T,U,U) Forestx3

(U) Winter Orb

(U) Llanowar Elves (1/1)
(U) Llanowar Elves (1/1)

Spiderman's graveyard: Quicksand, Winter Orb, Forest
Darthferret's graveyard: Wirewood Pride, Forest

Spiderman's RFG:
Darthferret's RFG:
 

Spiderman

Administrator
Staff member
Untap, upkeep, Draw...

DF plays a Forest, taps 3 to cast Alpha Status on an Elf, making him 3/3.

I discard a Spike Breeder :(

Done.

Big Red (38)
Limited's library: 49
Oversoul's library: 47
Limited's hand: 4
Oversoul's hand: 2

Limited's in-play:
-4x Mountain (UUUU)

(U) Cursed Totem

Oversoul's in-play:
-4x Mountain (U, U, T,T)
-2x Goblin Lackey (1/1, U, U)
-2x Mogg Flunkies (3/3, T, T)

Limited's graveyard: Hurloon Shaman, Mountain
Oversoul's graveyard: Bloodstained Mire, Goblin Lackey, Wooded Foothills, Mountain

Limited's RFG:
Oversoul's RFG:

The Jolly Green Giant (31)
Spiderman's library: 48
Darthferret's library: 52
Spiderman's hand: 7
Darthferret's hand: 3

Spiderman's in-play:

(U) Quicksand

Darthferret's in-play:

(T,T,T,U) Forestx4

(U) Winter Orb

(U) Llanowar Elves (3/3) - enchanted with Alpha Status
(U) Llanowar Elves (1/1)

Spiderman's graveyard: Quicksand, Winter Orb, Forest, Spike Breeder
Darthferret's graveyard: Wirewood Pride, Forest

Spiderman's RFG:
Darthferret's RFG:
 

Oversoul

The Tentacled One
We partially untap, draw, and Limited plays a Mountain and a Cleansing Beam on the 1/1 Llanowar Elves. Responses?

Done.

Big Red (38)
Limited's library: 49
Oversoul's library: 47
Limited's hand: 3
Oversoul's hand: 3

Limited's in-play:
-5x Mountain (TTTTT)

(U) Cursed Totem

Oversoul's in-play:
-4x Mountain (U, U, U,T)
-2x Goblin Lackey (1/1, U, U)
-2x Mogg Flunkies (3/3, U, U)

Limited's graveyard: Hurloon Shaman, Mountain
Oversoul's graveyard: Bloodstained Mire, Goblin Lackey, Wooded Foothills, Mountain

Limited's RFG:
Oversoul's RFG:

The Jolly Green Giant (31)
Spiderman's library: 48
Darthferret's library: 52
Spiderman's hand: 7
Darthferret's hand: 3

Spiderman's in-play:

(U) Quicksand

Darthferret's in-play:

(T,T,T,U) Forestx4

(U) Winter Orb

(U) Llanowar Elves (3/3) - enchanted with Alpha Status
(U) Llanowar Elves (1/1)

Spiderman's graveyard: Quicksand, Winter Orb, Forest, Spike Breeder
Darthferret's graveyard: Wirewood Pride, Forest

Spiderman's RFG:
Darthferret's RFG:
 
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