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Great Wall is #31.

I remember that article and talking about all of the problems with it. Of course there's always going to be some debate about the worst card ever, but my vote then and probably now goes to Wood Elemental, which for some reason is only #11. It's certainly much, much worse than Pale Moon. Pale...

Okay, so it's nothing about the potential energy of the fuel itself, but it's more volume being produced from the cane? That makes sense.

Ponies? One Pony is all it takes. What kind of sadistic monster are you? :eek: It's usually assumed in polite society that one will not be resorting to a deck like that. And while you would win at first, be careful, because if you run into Rhinoseeker, it will run right over that decklist...

1x Soldevi Digger 3x Phyrexian Walker 3x Shield Sphere 3x Ornithopter 4x Sol Ring 4x Mana Vault 1x Donate 1x Ring of Ma’ruf 1x Echo Chamber 1x Karn, Silver Golem 1x Capsize 2x Windfall 4x Accumulated Knowledge 3x Intuition 4x Braingeyser 3x Time Spiral 4x Stroke of Genius 4x Mind Over Matter 4x...

Okay, but then it's definitely not the ethanol that's doing it. Ethanol is ethanol and the chemical is always the same no matter where it came from.

You mean they use ten times as much sugar cane ethanol as they use corn ethanol, right?

Deny it all you like. Deep inside, you know the truth. Either you don't remember it or you were absent during that whole episode. Long answer, here's the article I wrote: http://www.casualplayers.org/article/get.php?action=getarticle&articleid=870 (sorry it's so long, but my goal was to...

Well, an important part is that I haven't been playing Vintage. So I'm kind of an outsider. It's not that I don't take action because I believe someone else will. I believe that it's not my place. Sure, realistically anyone could write the DCI and complain, even people that have never played the...

Heh. Is that why he no longer works there? :p

Well, I don't know if the DCI said ANYTHING about why Strip Mine was restricted. They often didn't give any explanation for restrictions back then, but I don't believe it had to be both. Had Strip Mine been popular but not effective, there would be no reason to restrict it because it wouldn't be...

Exactly. On a related note, I've on occasion had the desire to rip the eyeballs off that stupid paperclip...

But it was the the uncounterable LD and not the popularity that was the problem. Or that's my impression. Why are you again insisting that it isn't current? I think I said "not much" or "not really" or something. And it's too important for us peons to know about? Well, there's some...

But it invokes the deadly Relentless Assault/Dwarven Pony combo, which is much more devastating than the Pony by itself and is the most dominating engine since Snowfall.

Yeah, those biased players... :rolleyes: But people have been able to use Brainstorm and Merchant Scroll unrestricted for a long time. Why do you say "other" restricted cards? We're talking about an environment where Brainstorm and Merchant Scroll were not yet restricted. Yeah, I just can't...

You mean Relentless Pony? :p

I don't. Almost everyone used Brainstorm. Well, firstly, that's not the case. Like I said, almost everyone used Brainstorm. Gush and Merchant Scroll were pretty common too, but so what? Every format has cards that are more commonly used than others. When was Factory restricted? I don't know...

Old old old old old old old old old old old old old...

I poked around a bit on other sites before work today and while there was some buzz to sift through, I guess I'm not completely crazy. There are definitely active Vintage players that are against this. A lot, actually. They'll get over it eventually, I'm sure. And why should Mike Turian listen...

So "gaining prominence" means "must be stopped"? That's true of Brainstorm. It's a 4-of in almost every deck using blue cards. But that's been true for a long, long time. There are other cards that turn up as 4-ofs pretty often often. Duress, Dark Ritual, Force of Will, Mishra's Workshop, and...