why is black lotus so good?

Discussion in 'General CPA Stuff' started by orangejuice64, Sep 21, 2000.

  1. orangejuice64 New Member

    Besides the fact that it's free, why is black lotus so good? All it goves you is 3 mana of any 1 color when you sacrifice it. it's not like 3 mana of any color combo when you sacrifice it...





    ...so what's the big deal?
  2. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    Anytime you can get more mana than what the game constrains you to normally, that's good.

    On the first turn, including a land and Black Lotus (forget about Moxes for now), that's four mana. You tell me what you can pop out for four mana on the first turn, compared to just playing a dinky land and popping out a 1cc spell.

    That's why all of the (free) mana accelerators have pretty much been restricted (Sol Ring, Lotus Petal, Mana Vault, Fastbond, etc). Anything that lets you get more mana than your normal one-per-turn for cheap can be potentially abusing.
  3. Whimsical Adorable Sliver

    3 mana of any color you choose is bad? <laughs> Land + Lotus back then equaled either Juzam or Ernham ... on the first turn. Fat lot of good you can do against that, unless you happen to be playing white (in which case, feel free to Plow the big meanie).

    First turn meanies possible because of a Lotus in hand:
    Ernham ... the big meanie.
    Juzam ... even bigger meanie.
    Balduvian Horde ... red's meanie.
    Blasted-derm/Hunted Wumpus ... more green meanies.
    Masticore ... new meanie.

    First turn nightmares (outta a zillion):
    Channel/any X-cheese = you dead
    Rack/Mindtwist your hand away = you're screwed

    I'm sure the other people here in the CPA can give a more mathematical/analytical explanation for you ... I'm a very casual player who just likes the pretty pictures. Ergo, I had to use the illustrative approach... ;)
  4. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    ...pretty pictures...

    I didn't want to get into the creatures specifically because I know there are pretty cheap ways of getting rid of most of them (Swords, Terror, etc) but it's true, facing a 4/4 or 5/5 on the first turn that can potentially take away 1/4th of your life total before doing anything can be slightly demoralizing. Plus it means you're reacting to their deck and on the defensive (which may not be a bad thing, depending on the deck you're playing) right off the bat.
  5. orangejuice64 New Member

    oh. thanks for explaining.NARNARNARNARNARSKIZZIK
  6. Daenen New Member

    Watch carefully, kiddies.
    Lotus, Mountain
    Tap Mountain
    Sac Lotus for Green Mana
    Channel (GR in pool) for 19 green mana
    We now have GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGR in pool (that's 20 green and 1 red)
    Fireball for 20.
    You're turn, bud.
  7. Riva Iron-Grip da Kandy Man

    true, what set is channel from?
  8. TomB Administrative Assistant

    Er, Alpha, I think. :D
  9. Rando Freaky Bear

    The last set they printed Channel in was 4th edition. I've got wads of 'em if anyone wants a couple.

    Hey! lookie here! I'm posting on a Saturday!

    Hmmm...
  10. orangejuice64 New Member

    Whoa! You have "wads" of channels?

    Your'e gonna give me some, arent you? :D
  11. Rando Freaky Bear

    If you really want to trade something for the Channels, put a post in the trade forum.
  12. Istanbul Sucker MCs call me sire.

    Here's a thought for you.

    Play Island.
    Tap Island, play Sol Ring.
    Play Black Lotus.
    TapSac Black Lotus for UUU.
    Tap Sol Ring.
    Play Morphling, first turn.

    Either you start the game with a Swords in hand, or you lose. And you'd better hope I don't have a Force of Will.
  13. Nyx New Member

    The short version of why the black lotus is so good is that it's the engine behind most of the first-turn victories.

    Also, Channel only nets you colorless, not Green mana. But you can still use it to power an X-cost red burn.
  14. Duel Has Less Posts Than Spiderman

    Anyone read the invitational? Finkel's first turn with Dolan's World champion deck:

    City of Brass, Black lotus, Mox emerald, Serra angel.
    "Good luck, pal"

    Rubin lost that game.

    Need another example? Finkel, again, in the same tournament, with 3 moxes in play:

    Obliterate. Cast mox pearl, mox jet, black lotus. Sacrifice the lotus, add 3 black to my pool. Yawmoth's will. Replay the other three moxes, the lotus, and tolarian academy. Mind twist you for 6(all rubin had) and stroke of genius myself for 3.

    Needless to say, Finkel won.

    Lotus is not NECESSARY for the deck, but it really hurts your speed if you don't have it.
  15. Dark Horse New Member

    Hehe yeah I read about that... Nasty combo :).
  16. Duel Has Less Posts Than Spiderman

    Finkel's playing not one, but TWO invasion cards in his t1 deck. the other is teferi's response.

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