Can't seem to find it mentioned previously when it came up, but I was reading the April questions and Jensen Bohren aka theorgg had a question answered from April 10. Cool!
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Nightstalkers
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they still wont answer why they won't bring back the Nightstalkers... Meanies!
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train
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That is cool... I didn't even make the connection when I read that on the 10th...
Doing some back-reading huh spidey?...
Doing some back-reading huh spidey?...
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train
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C'mon Spidey - give CPA the benefit of the doubt...
Yes Ferret - It came about only after it was coined by this site...
Actually, I do a lot of back-reading too... but I've been trying to keep up with it lately... It helps me get more familiar with names of people at WOTC. Though I've still never met any of them.
And considering the way Magic was created, and the way it was envisioned by Garfield, I think everyone in the early years was a casual player...
Yes Ferret - It came about only after it was coined by this site...
Actually, I do a lot of back-reading too... but I've been trying to keep up with it lately... It helps me get more familiar with names of people at WOTC. Though I've still never met any of them.
And considering the way Magic was created, and the way it was envisioned by Garfield, I think everyone in the early years was a casual player...
I honestly don't think it was Garfield's idea for it to be casual - seriously. In the begining, ante was a part of the game - it was alomst mandatory. The game was only meant to be played by two players. Garfield once described it as an "intellectual sport like chess".Originally posted by train
And considering the way Magic was created, and the way it was envisioned by Garfield, I think everyone in the early years was a casual player...
But, who cares? Anytime there is a proffesional sport you will find millions of "amateurs".
-Ferret
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Garfield had some flawed thinking though. He figured it was too expensive for anyone to buy more than a couple starters and some boosters so power would be kept down that way. Heck, I can still remember when sets were truly "limited" and they didn't just continually churn out boxes so everyone could get their four of whatever. I realize part of that was unintentional, they couldn't keep the printers running long enough or whatever, plus they only had the one company printing... I think that was somewhat intentional though, keeping rares rare. However, I completely agree that Garfield wanted this to be competitive. He has stated the "chess" analogy numerous times in interviews and columns.
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Can somebody ask about Cosmic Encounter? He actually based the idea of magic on that one game.
Wish that he would fork over Gamma... Isn't right somehow.
The whole idea of magic was based on the idea of variety in the gaming field. When most people use the various cards to build up combos that are completely different from the hundred or so people in the area that you are playing in. That is a vision of a genious.
Now a days the Type II atmosphere is around just to sell the packs and such to make mula.
Wish that he would fork over Gamma... Isn't right somehow.
The whole idea of magic was based on the idea of variety in the gaming field. When most people use the various cards to build up combos that are completely different from the hundred or so people in the area that you are playing in. That is a vision of a genious.
Now a days the Type II atmosphere is around just to sell the packs and such to make mula.
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I think I'd actually like it better if we all couldn't get our hands on 4 of every type of card we need. It would put even more diversity into the game cause you'd have to make due with what you had rather then going on e-bay and buying what you need.
The only problem w/ that is the strength of your decks would be based mostly on your pocket-book. All you really need to do is find a good net.deck and buy the parts....sure, you may not know all the nuances of playing it, but you'd stand a better chance than those of us scraping buy w/ just a starter and a few boosters...
-Ferret
"MTGO is teaching me lots of lessons..."
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Skyrider
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true enough, but it's still a lot like that now. Those who can afford the cards get the cards.
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train
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The Chess analogy seems more along the "intellectual" aspect mentioned by Ferret... As for the seriousness of Ante - Garfield stated that this was how people could expand their collection, gain cards... Like BigBlue said - the print runs were limited, and this is how Garfield envisioned a prize, or reward for the good play... much like chessmasters are rewarded with prestige, and money(isn't that cool)...
As for competition... there is not much that doesn't breed competition between the males in our species...
With Chaos Orb, Mirror Universe, Shahrazad, all those were to keep the game fun... Garfield wanted people to have fun playing an intellectual game...
Local shop tourneys and the DCI made the game a huge competition - along with some male chromosomes... Who was Garfield to say "No, I don't want my fun game promoted around the World, in order to expand Magic and make millions..."
I agree with train - it was supposed to be "intellectual" in that you had a limited card pool and was supposed to be able to put your mind to the "best deck" and beat others with the limited card pool. That's why Plague Rats were made in the beginning, because he didn't think everyone could get enough rares to "break" a deck so there wouldn't be card limits (similiarly why Time Walk was priced at 2cc).
I think if one wanted to get back at that idea and commenting on Skyrider's comment below:
I think if one wanted to get back at that idea and commenting on Skyrider's comment below:
Decks would have to change their composition once again and do something like Starter format: 4 or so rares, 20 or so uncommons, and the rest commons. That might change deck-building in a drastic way
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whuppinboy
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all good things come to an end they say. and with Magic, when it was first created was a phenom. y'all mentioned net decks and buying the parts and then understanding how they work, where's the fun in that? why spend the cash to buy someone else's deck and play with it? i've seen the deck for the top 8 at the World's Qualifier they had on MTG:O, six of them were the same deck with very little variance (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=magic/magiconline/03worldsqtrecap)
blah blah blah. if you're going to spend some money, spend it on a deck that will break the above.
that's what i loved about this game back when Revised was released, no 2 decks were the same (in the group that i played at least), we didn't have the $$ to buy boxes and boxes of boosters, we bought some boosters, traded, came up with some kick ass decks and had FUN.
i will admit, and train and orgg can attest to this, i have way too many frickin cards online (i'm in a much better position financially now as opposed to then ) i've built a couple net decks and played them a few times, not any longer though cuz i just ran across too many people playing the same thing. so now, i just try to build something original and fun and if i lose, i lose
anyhoo, enuff of a decaffinated rant
p.s. if you really want to piss people off on MTG:O, play LD
blah blah blah. if you're going to spend some money, spend it on a deck that will break the above.
that's what i loved about this game back when Revised was released, no 2 decks were the same (in the group that i played at least), we didn't have the $$ to buy boxes and boxes of boosters, we bought some boosters, traded, came up with some kick ass decks and had FUN.
i will admit, and train and orgg can attest to this, i have way too many frickin cards online (i'm in a much better position financially now as opposed to then
) i've built a couple net decks and played them a few times, not any longer though cuz i just ran across too many people playing the same thing. so now, i just try to build something original and fun and if i lose, i lose anyhoo, enuff of a decaffinated rant
p.s. if you really want to piss people off on MTG:O, play LD
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Skyrider
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yeah that's the biggest reason I haven't tried tournament play. I don't want to enter to have fun just to run into 8 copies of the same deck.