The Not a counterburn U/R deck...

Discussion in 'General CPA Stuff' started by BigBlue, Apr 3, 2006.

  1. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    Are people having a hard time thinking of blue cards when they're not counters?

    (Blue)
    Psychic Venom - Spidey 4/3
    Phantom Monster - DarthFerret 4/3
    Forbid - Oversoul 4/3
    Steamcore Weird - Limited 4/4
    Mana Leak - Oversoul 4/5
    Old Man of the Sea - BigBlue 4/5
    Palinchron - TomB 4/5
    Seasinger - Spidey 4/7


    (Red)
    Rorix Bladewing - mooseman - 4/3
    Erratic Explosion - Turgy22 - 4/3
    Flametongue Kavu - Killer Joe - 4/3
    Mana Flare - TomB 4/4
    Shard Phoenix - Oversoul 4/4
    Crash - mooseman 4/4
    Sisters of the Flame - mooseman 4/5
    Fork - DarthFerret 4/5
    Viashino Heretic - Limited 4/6
    Lightning Bolt - Oversoul 4/6
    Giant Strength - BigBlue 4/6
    Hammer of Bogardan - Ransac 4/6
    Fireball - TomB 4/7

    (Gold)
    Emberwilde Caliph - BigBlue - 4/3
    Frenetic Efreet - Ransac 4/4
    Firestorm Hellkite - BigBlue 4/4
    Dracoplasm - TomB 4/6


    (Artifact)
    Purging Scythe - Spidey 4/4
    Izzet Signet - Limited 5/4
    Aladdin's Ring - Spidey 4/5
    Fellwar Stone - mooseman 4/6

    (Land)

    Mishra's Factory - Spidey 4/6


    Card Count: 29
    Land Count : 1
  2. turgy22 Nothing Special

    There are blue cards the aren't counterspells? And red spells that aren't burn? I had no idea. In fact, I thought the best cards did both.

    (Blue)
    Psychic Venom - Spidey 4/3
    Phantom Monster - DarthFerret 4/3
    Forbid - Oversoul 4/3
    Steamcore Weird - Limited 4/4
    Mana Leak - Oversoul 4/5
    Old Man of the Sea - BigBlue 4/5
    Palinchron - TomB 4/5
    Seasinger - Spidey 4/7


    (Red)
    Rorix Bladewing - mooseman - 4/3
    Erratic Explosion - Turgy22 - 4/3
    Flametongue Kavu - Killer Joe - 4/3
    Mana Flare - TomB 4/4
    Shard Phoenix - Oversoul 4/4
    Crash - mooseman 4/4
    Sisters of the Flame - mooseman 4/5
    Fork - DarthFerret 4/5
    Viashino Heretic - Limited 4/6
    Lightning Bolt - Oversoul 4/6
    Giant Strength - BigBlue 4/6
    Hammer of Bogardan - Ransac 4/6
    Fireball - TomB 4/7

    (Gold)
    Emberwilde Caliph - BigBlue - 4/3
    Frenetic Efreet - Ransac 4/4
    Firestorm Hellkite - BigBlue 4/4
    Dracoplasm - TomB 4/6
    Suffocating Blast - Turgy22 4/7


    (Artifact)
    Purging Scythe - Spidey 4/4
    Izzet Signet - Limited 5/4
    Aladdin's Ring - Spidey 4/5
    Fellwar Stone - mooseman 4/6

    (Land)

    Mishra's Factory - Spidey 4/6


    Card Count: 30
    Land Count : 1
  3. Limited Yes, but we won't care

    Just for that, a blue weenie:

    (Blue)
    Psychic Venom - Spidey 4/3
    Phantom Monster - DarthFerret 4/3
    Forbid - Oversoul 4/3
    Steamcore Weird - Limited 4/4
    Mana Leak - Oversoul 4/5
    Old Man of the Sea - BigBlue 4/5
    Palinchron - TomB 4/5
    Seasinger - Spidey 4/7
    Riptide Mangler - Limited 4/7


    (Red)
    Rorix Bladewing - mooseman - 4/3
    Erratic Explosion - Turgy22 - 4/3
    Flametongue Kavu - Killer Joe - 4/3
    Mana Flare - TomB 4/4
    Shard Phoenix - Oversoul 4/4
    Crash - mooseman 4/4
    Sisters of the Flame - mooseman 4/5
    Fork - DarthFerret 4/5
    Viashino Heretic - Limited 4/6
    Lightning Bolt - Oversoul 4/6
    Giant Strength - BigBlue 4/6
    Hammer of Bogardan - Ransac 4/6
    Fireball - TomB 4/7

    (Gold)
    Emberwilde Caliph - BigBlue - 4/3
    Frenetic Efreet - Ransac 4/4
    Firestorm Hellkite - BigBlue 4/4
    Dracoplasm - TomB 4/6
    Suffocating Blast - Turgy22 4/7


    (Artifact)
    Purging Scythe - Spidey 4/4
    Izzet Signet - Limited 5/4
    Aladdin's Ring - Spidey 4/5
    Fellwar Stone - mooseman 4/6

    (Land)

    Mishra's Factory - Spidey 4/6


    Card Count: 31
    Land Count : 1
  4. Ransac CPA Trash Man

    Because I believe it's a Casual Counterspell....

    (Blue)
    Psychic Venom - Spidey 4/3
    Phantom Monster - DarthFerret 4/3
    Forbid - Oversoul 4/3
    Steamcore Weird - Limited 4/4
    Mana Leak - Oversoul 4/5
    Old Man of the Sea - BigBlue 4/5
    Palinchron - TomB 4/5
    Seasinger - Spidey 4/7
    Riptide Mangler - Limited 4/7
    Ertai's Meddling - Ransac 4/7

    (Red)
    Rorix Bladewing - mooseman - 4/3
    Erratic Explosion - Turgy22 - 4/3
    Flametongue Kavu - Killer Joe - 4/3
    Mana Flare - TomB 4/4
    Shard Phoenix - Oversoul 4/4
    Crash - mooseman 4/4
    Sisters of the Flame - mooseman 4/5
    Fork - DarthFerret 4/5
    Viashino Heretic - Limited 4/6
    Lightning Bolt - Oversoul 4/6
    Giant Strength - BigBlue 4/6
    Hammer of Bogardan - Ransac 4/6
    Fireball - TomB 4/7

    (Gold)
    Emberwilde Caliph - BigBlue - 4/3
    Frenetic Efreet - Ransac 4/4
    Firestorm Hellkite - BigBlue 4/4
    Dracoplasm - TomB 4/6
    Suffocating Blast - Turgy22 4/7


    (Artifact)
    Purging Scythe - Spidey 4/4
    Izzet Signet - Limited 5/4
    Aladdin's Ring - Spidey 4/5
    Fellwar Stone - mooseman 4/6

    (Land)

    Mishra's Factory - Spidey 4/6


    Card Count: 32
    Land Count : 1


    Ransac, cpa trash man
  5. Limited Yes, but we won't care

    To go with Dracoplasm

    (Blue)
    Psychic Venom - Spidey 4/3
    Phantom Monster - DarthFerret 4/3
    Forbid - Oversoul 4/3
    Steamcore Weird - Limited 4/4
    Mana Leak - Oversoul 4/5
    Old Man of the Sea - BigBlue 4/5
    Palinchron - TomB 4/5
    Seasinger - Spidey 4/7
    Riptide Mangler - Limited 4/7
    Ertai's Meddling - Ransac 4/7
    Reins of Power - Limited 4/7

    (Red)
    Rorix Bladewing - mooseman - 4/3
    Erratic Explosion - Turgy22 - 4/3
    Flametongue Kavu - Killer Joe - 4/3
    Mana Flare - TomB 4/4
    Shard Phoenix - Oversoul 4/4
    Crash - mooseman 4/4
    Sisters of the Flame - mooseman 4/5
    Fork - DarthFerret 4/5
    Viashino Heretic - Limited 4/6
    Lightning Bolt - Oversoul 4/6
    Giant Strength - BigBlue 4/6
    Hammer of Bogardan - Ransac 4/6
    Fireball - TomB 4/7

    (Gold)
    Emberwilde Caliph - BigBlue - 4/3
    Frenetic Efreet - Ransac 4/4
    Firestorm Hellkite - BigBlue 4/4
    Dracoplasm - TomB 4/6
    Suffocating Blast - Turgy22 4/7


    (Artifact)
    Purging Scythe - Spidey 4/4
    Izzet Signet - Limited 5/4
    Aladdin's Ring - Spidey 4/5
    Fellwar Stone - mooseman 4/6

    (Land)

    Mishra's Factory - Spidey 4/6

    Card Count: 33
    Land Count : 1
  6. Oversoul The Tentacled One

    It takes a long time to build up the mana for such casual cards as, say, Aladdin's Ring. We do need to survive in order for our cards to see play...

    (Blue)
    Psychic Venom - Spidey 4/3
    Phantom Monster - DarthFerret 4/3
    Forbid - Oversoul 4/3
    Steamcore Weird - Limited 4/4
    Mana Leak - Oversoul 4/5
    Old Man of the Sea - BigBlue 4/5
    Palinchron - TomB 4/5
    Seasinger - Spidey 4/7
    Riptide Mangler - Limited 4/7
    Ertai's Meddling - Ransac 4/7
    Reins of Power - Limited 4/7
    Force of Will - Oversoul 4/7

    (Red)
    Rorix Bladewing - mooseman - 4/3
    Erratic Explosion - Turgy22 - 4/3
    Flametongue Kavu - Killer Joe - 4/3
    Mana Flare - TomB 4/4
    Shard Phoenix - Oversoul 4/4
    Crash - mooseman 4/4
    Sisters of the Flame - mooseman 4/5
    Fork - DarthFerret 4/5
    Viashino Heretic - Limited 4/6
    Lightning Bolt - Oversoul 4/6
    Giant Strength - BigBlue 4/6
    Hammer of Bogardan - Ransac 4/6
    Fireball - TomB 4/7

    (Gold)
    Emberwilde Caliph - BigBlue - 4/3
    Frenetic Efreet - Ransac 4/4
    Firestorm Hellkite - BigBlue 4/4
    Dracoplasm - TomB 4/6
    Suffocating Blast - Turgy22 4/7


    (Artifact)
    Purging Scythe - Spidey 4/4
    Izzet Signet - Limited 5/4
    Aladdin's Ring - Spidey 4/5
    Fellwar Stone - mooseman 4/6

    (Land)

    Mishra's Factory - Spidey 4/6

    Card Count: 34
    Land Count : 1
  7. Mooseman Isengar Tussle

    To make seasinger work

    (Blue)
    Psychic Venom - Spidey 4/3
    Phantom Monster - DarthFerret 4/3
    Forbid - Oversoul 4/3
    Steamcore Weird - Limited 4/4
    Mana Leak - Oversoul 4/5
    Old Man of the Sea - BigBlue 4/5
    Palinchron - TomB 4/5
    Seasinger - Spidey 4/7
    Riptide Mangler - Limited 4/7
    Ertai's Meddling - Ransac 4/7
    Reins of Power - Limited 4/7
    Force of Will - Oversoul 4/7
    Sea's Claim - mooseman 4/7

    (Red)
    Rorix Bladewing - mooseman - 4/3
    Erratic Explosion - Turgy22 - 4/3
    Flametongue Kavu - Killer Joe - 4/3
    Mana Flare - TomB 4/4
    Shard Phoenix - Oversoul 4/4
    Crash - mooseman 4/4
    Sisters of the Flame - mooseman 4/5
    Fork - DarthFerret 4/5
    Viashino Heretic - Limited 4/6
    Lightning Bolt - Oversoul 4/6
    Giant Strength - BigBlue 4/6
    Hammer of Bogardan - Ransac 4/6
    Fireball - TomB 4/7

    (Gold)
    Emberwilde Caliph - BigBlue - 4/3
    Frenetic Efreet - Ransac 4/4
    Firestorm Hellkite - BigBlue 4/4
    Dracoplasm - TomB 4/6
    Suffocating Blast - Turgy22 4/7


    (Artifact)
    Purging Scythe - Spidey 4/4
    Izzet Signet - Limited 5/4
    Aladdin's Ring - Spidey 4/5
    Fellwar Stone - mooseman 4/6

    (Land)

    Mishra's Factory - Spidey 4/6

    Card Count: 35
    Land Count : 1
  8. Ransac CPA Trash Man

    Okay, Only a few more cards (2 or 3 non-land). We need a mana-base.

    Ransac, cpa trash man
  9. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    Thanks Mooseman, I was hoping someone would see that :)

    And Oversoul, when you have Mana Flare, you can use the Ring pretty fast :)
  10. Mooseman Isengar Tussle

    I try to see what has been added and find cards that may complament them and not just add my favorite card. I also look for cards I don't normally use in a deck or don't use often.

    For the last few cards, my suggestion is MANA MANA MANA PRODUCTION.
    Weren't there a series of artifacts that produced two different colors of mana?
  11. Killer Joe Active Member

    How about another man mana?

    (Blue)
    Psychic Venom - Spidey 4/3
    Phantom Monster - DarthFerret 4/3
    Forbid - Oversoul 4/3
    Steamcore Weird - Limited 4/4
    Mana Leak - Oversoul 4/5
    Old Man of the Sea - BigBlue 4/5
    Palinchron - TomB 4/5
    Seasinger - Spidey 4/7
    Riptide Mangler - Limited 4/7
    Ertai's Meddling - Ransac 4/7
    Reins of Power - Limited 4/7
    Force of Will - Oversoul 4/7
    Sea's Claim - mooseman 4/7

    (Red)
    Rorix Bladewing - mooseman - 4/3
    Erratic Explosion - Turgy22 - 4/3
    Flametongue Kavu - Killer Joe - 4/3
    Mana Flare - TomB 4/4
    Shard Phoenix - Oversoul 4/4
    Crash - mooseman 4/4
    Sisters of the Flame - mooseman 4/5
    Fork - DarthFerret 4/5
    Viashino Heretic - Limited 4/6
    Lightning Bolt - Oversoul 4/6
    Giant Strength - BigBlue 4/6
    Hammer of Bogardan - Ransac 4/6
    Fireball - TomB 4/7

    (Gold)
    Emberwilde Caliph - BigBlue - 4/3
    Frenetic Efreet - Ransac 4/4
    Firestorm Hellkite - BigBlue 4/4
    Dracoplasm - TomB 4/6
    Suffocating Blast - Turgy22 4/7


    (Artifact)
    Purging Scythe - Spidey 4/4
    Izzet Signet - Limited 5/4
    Aladdin's Ring - Spidey 4/5
    Fellwar Stone - mooseman 4/6

    (Land)

    Mishra's Factory - Spidey 4/6
    Farerie Conclave - Killer Joe 4/7

    Card Count: 35
    Land Count : 2
  12. BigBlue Magic Jones

    Hmm... I think we need another way to change lands... or maybe a spell I like... Since I've mostly avoided Blue atypical of my nature... (And Wizards... I'm sorry but this is NOT a Red ability - stop messing with the color wheel...) A little Kmart Blue Light Special... Ray of Command

    (Blue)
    Psychic Venom - Spidey 4/3
    Phantom Monster - DarthFerret 4/3
    Forbid - Oversoul 4/3
    Steamcore Weird - Limited 4/4
    Mana Leak - Oversoul 4/5
    Old Man of the Sea - BigBlue 4/5
    Palinchron - TomB 4/5
    Seasinger - Spidey 4/7
    Riptide Mangler - Limited 4/7
    Ertai's Meddling - Ransac 4/7
    Reins of Power - Limited 4/7
    Force of Will - Oversoul 4/7
    Sea's Claim - mooseman 4/7
    Ray of Command - BigBlue 4/7


    (Red)
    Rorix Bladewing - mooseman - 4/3
    Erratic Explosion - Turgy22 - 4/3
    Flametongue Kavu - Killer Joe - 4/3
    Mana Flare - TomB 4/4
    Shard Phoenix - Oversoul 4/4
    Crash - mooseman 4/4
    Sisters of the Flame - mooseman 4/5
    Fork - DarthFerret 4/5
    Viashino Heretic - Limited 4/6
    Lightning Bolt - Oversoul 4/6
    Giant Strength - BigBlue 4/6
    Hammer of Bogardan - Ransac 4/6
    Fireball - TomB 4/7

    (Gold)
    Emberwilde Caliph - BigBlue - 4/3
    Frenetic Efreet - Ransac 4/4
    Firestorm Hellkite - BigBlue 4/4
    Dracoplasm - TomB 4/6
    Suffocating Blast - Turgy22 4/7


    (Artifact)
    Purging Scythe - Spidey 4/4
    Izzet Signet - Limited 5/4
    Aladdin's Ring - Spidey 4/5
    Fellwar Stone - mooseman 4/6

    (Land)

    Mishra's Factory - Spidey 4/6
    Farerie Conclave - Killer Joe 4/7

    Card Count: 36
    Land Count : 2
  13. Oversoul The Tentacled One

    Edit: I had added a card (Gauntlet of Might), but I've done a count and for some reason, it said 36 in the card count when it was really 38 (probably my fault anyway). So I'd say move straight on to the manabase. 24 lands is probably right for this deck...

    Card Count: 38
    Land Count : 2
  14. TomB Administrative Assistant

    I've got a count of 34, plus the 2 mana producing artifacts...I think it needs a Sol Ring too, and perhaps a Black Lotus as well, to try and compensate for the poor mana curve, but yeah, it's definitely time to stop adding non-mana producing cards...;)
  15. Oversoul The Tentacled One

    Those do count as cards and so do the lands, which is why I said 38.

    As far as Black Lotus is concerned, we've stayed away from power nine cards with these decks so far and I think that it was one of the original criteria when we started the first one, but I'm not going to be the one to say you can't do it here--I don't really have an opinion either way.

    Sol Ring seems like a good idea too.
  16. Mooseman Isengar Tussle

    Sol Ring would be good and so would a dual land.
  17. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    When isn't a dual land a good idea? :) Or a Sol Ring, for that matter...

    I say just stick to adding lands - if someone wanted Sol Ring in here, they would have (or should have) added it... so it could be a strict 4 Volcanic Islands, 4 Mt/Island fetch lands, and 7 Mts and 7 Islands...
  18. BigBlue Magic Jones

    Well... I'd say those 2 lands are Mana producing... so I wouldn't add them in to the card count... however, this is an expensive deck... so 24 lands wouldn't be out of the question... I'd also say a Sol Ring + 23 lands would also be good.... either way, I agree it is done... unless someone wants to take out a card and replace it.... which we haven't done since we started the 1 card per day limit...
  19. Mooseman Isengar Tussle

    I'm new to this Highlander thing, but can you use more than one of any card except basic lands?
  20. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    Nope, Highlander ("There can be only one!") means only one of each card except basic lands (although we seem to be stretching it for duals or mana in general).

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