Rehashing old cards...

Discussion in 'CPA/WOTC Magic Issues' started by Dune Echo, Apr 6, 2000.

  1. Dune Echo CPA Founder, Idea Man

    You know, I'm wondering how many older card ideas have been rehashed at some point but the original idea was never reprinted again. With all the rehashing, unless you're playing Type 1, why would you possibly need the old cards to be reprinted? Here's an example so you know what I mean:

    Copper Tablet --> Barbed Wire
    Same basic idea, but the Barbed Wire lets you pay 2 to prevent the damage to you and ups the cc by 1.

    Moxes --> (Mirage) Diamonds --> Mox Diamond --> Pieces and parts of Ramos
    Again, a natural progression. (Would an even better Sol Grail have been so bad instead of the Ramos things though? Make it be able to produce the CIP chosen color and be able to sac for any color?)

    Black Lotus --> Lion's Eye Diamond --> Lotus Petal
    Good. BAD (except in a few particular decks). Balanced (but the pros broke it, jerks!).

    What cards have you people notice that are like this?

    [Edited by Dune Echo (04-06-2000 at 07:37 AM).]
  2. Dune Echo CPA Founder, Idea Man

    Okay another a few I just thought of.

    Time Vault --> Magistrate's Scepter
    Balanced after errata. Not so good, but you won't overkill anyone with it.

    Timetwister --> Diminishing Returns --> Time Spiral
    Damn good. Damn good in a REALLY BIG deck (Zadok should know something about that! ;)). It's restricted for a reason.

    Time Walk --> Time Warp
    Restricted for a reason. Balanced.

    Lightning Bolt --> Incinerate --> Shock
    Balanced, why did they take this away? Good, not balancing for green though. Boring.

    [Edited by Dune Echo (04-06-2000 at 07:22 AM).]
  3. Dune Echo CPA Founder, Idea Man

    Regrowth --> Elven Cache --> Reclaim --> Revive
    Powerful. A little overcosted, only in Limited has this ever really helped me. Great in a Recycle deck. Balanced, puts the power with Green again.
  4. Ura Feline Lord of the Pit

    How about these! :)

    Ali from Cairo - Worship
    Tetravis - Thopter Squadron
    Dual lands - Pain lands
    Caverns of Despair - Crawlspace
    Two-headed Giant - Two-headed Dragon
    Sylvan Library - Mirri's Guile
    Icy Manipulator - Puppet Strings, Ring of Gix
    Braingyeser - Stroke of Genius
    Serra Angel - Herald of Serra
    Will-O'-The-Wisp - Fog of Gnats
    Necropotence - Yawgmoths Bargain

    And those are all just for starters. :)
  5. Gryphonclaw New Member

    Here's another "series"

    Force of Nature -> Child of Gaea
    Same cc, both have trample, the second is just a little smaller, with half the upkeep (modified) and regeneration.

    Circle of protection -> Rune of protection -> Circle of protection

    The runes were, IMHO, better due to the cycling, and more balanced, then they went back to circles. What gives?

    Ward of lights -> Cho manno's blessing
    Identical, with the second one better.

    Stampede -> Overrun -> Stampede

    Overrun is definitely way more powerful, so stampede replaced it's replacement.

    Lightning blow -> Guided Strike

    Identical except for: Guided strike granted +1/+0 and the card came immediately, instead of next turns upkeep. Plus 1 was a rare, the other an uncommon.

    Reprisal -> Radiants Judgement -> Reprisal?
    I'm not sure, but I think Reprisal was printed in classic. Radients Judgement was definately better with cycling to offset the +1 mana to the cc.

    To sum up, some cards have been improved in their reprinted form.
  6. arhar Member

    Yes, Reprisal was printed in 6th, and IMHO it's much better than Radiant's Judgement: it's Bury instead of Destroy....
  7. Chaos Turtle Demiurgic CPA Member, Admin Assistant

    Can't believe I'm first with this one...

    Demonic Tutor --> Demonic Consultation --> Vampiric Tutor (other Mirage tutors,too).

    Restricted for a reason. Still a little too good, but at least there's a drawback. Drawback (or restriction, in Mirage tutors' case) and a little bit slower (top of library insted of in hand) and still maybe a little too good.
  8. Dune Echo CPA Founder, Idea Man

    Yeah, this is what I'm talking about. People are asking for reprints of all these "good" or "old" cards and I just wanted to show people that most of these ideas have been reprinted in some form or another.

    Lightning Reflexes --> Flaming Sword

    Jade Statue --> Chimeric Sphere/Xanthic Statue --> Chimeric Staff
    Not bad. Ehh, so-so/Good with a large amount of mana. Good with a large amount of mana.

    Berserk --> Fanatical Fever --> Rancor
    Great! Bad, just bad. GREAT!

    Raging River --> Goblin War Drums (I know, this one's a stretch.)
    Interesting! Good in a swarm vs. swarm deck.

    Millstone --> Ashnod's Cylix/Helm of Obedience --> Altar of Dementia/Grindstone
    Good. Interesting/Very cool against creature-less decks. Is Zadok around on this one :)/Very cool, interesting, and good.

    Stone Rain --> Pillage --> Flowstone Flood --> Lay Waste/Raze

    Basic spell. Very good. Average. Ehh/Good (turns anyone one of your lands into a Strip Mine for R).
  9. FoundationOfRancor The Gunslinger


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