Pure Coincidence, I'm Sure, But.......

Am I Crazy Here?

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fuzzy510

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How many people here have read George Orwell's 1984? I've noticed something that links current events to the events in the book.

*The Taliban and the Federal Government have conflicting reports on what is going on in Afghanistan. In fact, they are exact opposites. Presuming that one of them is telling the truth, the other is active in Doublethink, because the citizens of their respective countries have seen video feeds.

(OK, that one was more of a stretch, but consider the next one more:)

*Replace Oceania, Eastasia and Eurasia with the United States, Afghanistan and Russia. Oceania was at war with Eurasia and allied with Eastasia, and then became allied with Eurasia in an effort against Eastasia. Same premice here: We were at war with Russia and allied with Afghanistan back in the late 70's-early 80's. Now, we're allied with Russia against Afghanistan.

Strange? I think so. What do you guys think?
 
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Daggertooth

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I think that none of this is real. that the government is just making things up to give more popularity to a pathetic president.

And people dying? Well, thats just part of the scam. In fact there is no afganistan or Russia. Just something the media made up to controll the peons into thinking there is a war.

:p

Excelent book by the way.

Daggertooth
 
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Zadok001

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THAT'S the correlation you draw between recent events and 1984?? Oh, please. There are so many to choose from! :D
 
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Thallid Ice Cream Man

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1984 is ok, but personally I prefer some of the other "negative utopia" books released soon after in the early 50s, like Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.'s Player Piano and Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451.

Afghanistan is hardly a world power.

And the government doesn't have to use doublethink: most people don't care about international politics except occasionally and half-heartedly to support people saying things like "get rid of the fereners."

And both countries are probably at least partially lying (I'm not going to go into this). In 1984 all of the three world powers were using doublethink (although it doesn't come out and say it much).
 
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Spiderman

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Countries change alliances all the time. The US was allies with communist Russia during WWII, was its enemy for 40 some years, and is now being friendly again. No big thang.
 
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Hetemti

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Fahrenheit 451 is happening now, too. The Feds are ordering libraries to destroy books and digital media that contains information they don't like.
 
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Spiderman

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Well, Hetemti, you sure have a knack of using poorly-worded statements.

What the article is saying is that the Feds are pulling stuff that has potentially security concerns, not "stuff they don't like" (like criticisms of government officials, for example). The Baltimore Sun recently printed a location of all the chemical storage dumps in the area and what it would mean if one or more was attacked due to the uneven security at the places (mostly leaning towards poor). Several people wrote in saying that it was irresponsible to "do the work of any potential terrorists for them" by laying out their targets right there.

So the question is: Do people have the right to this information, no questions asked? Or have times changed that there needs to be some precautions placed before allowing access?
 
Killer Joe

Killer Joe

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Well, my "Catcher In The Rye" book has been missing since 1984!!!!!

<of course, when my girlfriend threw my out of her appartment that year I may have left it there :p >
 
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Hetemti

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Yes. Times have changed. The people are willingly forfeiting their rights, something countless people died in hopes of having.

And my knack is for statements worded in such a way that I control the subconcious of the reader. Be it "poorly worded" to the unenlightened or no.


Await the future. One day you'll ask a seemingly harmless question, and be deemed a Threat to National Security. Not that anyone will ever know. Or remember. Or care. Or know how to. After all, the easiest way to control the masses is to keep them swolen with self-pride, and too uneducated to think for themselves.
 
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Spiderman

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Hey, let's not confuse "rights" with "privileges" (as many people do when arguing for getting a drivers license). Is it really a "right" to know where all the nuclear power plants are? All the locations of chemical depots in a city?

Is it a right to be able to learn how to just fly a plane, not learn the takeoff or landing?

No, your wording exposes your biases and thoughts, thereby biasing the reader before having the chance to form their own opinion. It's called propaganda at worst, misleading at best (to those unenlightened).
 
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Hetemti

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The founding of America was based on giving the people rights instead of privliges.

"Is it really a "right" to know where all the nuclear power plants are? All the locations of chemical depots in a city?"

Yes. What you are saying is that Americans don't have the right to become educated above a certain level. That level being the ones with access to this restricted information. There is no sin in any knowledge; only in it's malicious use.

The moment information is illegal, we all become slaves.
 
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Spiderman

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Let's remember that it was only giving WHITE people "rights".

No. What I am saying is that in this day and age, it is probably prudent to examine those who wish to know such knowledge. If you are not dangerous, then there shouldn't be a problem. It is not "seek and destroy every mention of nuclear plants and prosecute those who seek it", it is merely raising it to the level as whatever is top secret now (such as troop movements and whatnot).

They are trying to screen out those with malicious use; it probably costs less to prevent than to fix.
 
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