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Baskil

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GW Bush is a scary, scary person...
" I believe the role of the military is to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place. "
"And you bet we want to allow younger workers to take some of their own money..." (Talking about cutting Social Security to allow workers to invest their own money)
And the classic GW Bush quote:

"There ought to be limits to freedom"


If Bush was elected, major things would change, for a wrong way, in this country. Therefore, I feel it is my obligation to do what I can do to prevent him from taking office (by voting for someone else). However, if I vote for Nader, I am taking a vote away from someone (the only one) who has a shot at beating Bush. And that person is Gore.

Of course, the popular vote is completely overrated, since it's the electoral college who actually chooses a president.
 
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terzarima

Guest
I dilike that one Comment Melkor, there are no communists in Canada, we have no military to work with! :)
 
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Rando

Guest
"Why should we subsidize intellectual curiosity?"
-- Ronald Reagan, campaign speech, 1980
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"It is no accident that conservatism has arisen at the same time the public education system in the United States has declined.
It is also no accident that conservatism is strongest in the same parts of America where education is weakest."
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In Ronald Reagan's so-called "trickle down" theory, he claimed that if the rich were allowed to keep more of what the poor and middle class were producing, more of it would then "trickle down" to those below, and they would end up richer. No one ever thought to ask whether giving someone else more of the wealth you produce really would actually make you richer. Of course it doesn't, but that didn't stop the conservatives from accepting the notion no matter how silly it was.
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Conservatism relies on folk wisdom and personal experience. As nearly all conservatives come to their views through this route, it is not difficult to see that the diminishing influence of education would result in the diminishment of the political philosophies traditionally associated with educational attainment.
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Of the approximately 3,500 people appointed to positions in government by Reagan, fully 700, or 20 percent were indicted or convicted of crimes of corruption committed while in office. This included three cabinet officials, one of which was the attorney general, the very man charged with the responsibility of enforcing the law. Historians now agree that the Reagan administration was the second most corrupt in American history, exceeded only by that of Ulysses S. Grant (another Republican).
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Reagan blocked AIDS research at the National Institutes of Health and the Center for Disease Control, and made sure that anyone in that agency that publicly advocated AIDS research would be demoted or fired. Reagan didn't even publicly utter the word, "AIDS" until after more than 30,000 Americans had died of the disease
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In spite of Rush Limbaugh's claims to the contrary, any social scientist will tell you that there is a close association between poverty and crime. Indeed, the unemployment rate is often the best indicator of the current crime level; as unemployment rises, crime rises right along with it. Why then, doesn't conservative theory worry more about unemployment as a correlate of crime? A husband and father who is able to adequately provide for his children is far less likely to resort to crime or simply abandon his family than a desperate man driven to crime or abandonment. It would seem so obvious, but it is remarkable how the correlation, proven over and over again by social scientists, is ignored or denied by conservative theorists.
 
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Hetemti

Guest
I am rather conservitive, though I frankly don't see any admirable characteristics in any of the proposed canidates.

Why, oh why couldn't we have seen Liz Dole or Alan Keys take a shot at it...
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A few Gore highlights:
1) Gore has taken contributions from various media companies, including video game manufacturers...whom he now intends to put restrictions on in the name of saving our children from violence.

2) A person working for Bush's advertising department was found to have sent various media to Gore's headquarters without notifying his superiors.

3) Clinton Connection. (Hi Tom-B.B.)
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Regan, Regan, Regan, Regan, Regan...got any anti-conservitive stuff that's not from the 80's...or are you a little behind the times?
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And no, I didn't buy that Trickle Down crap...the only money that trickled down to me was the extra change that fell out of their pockets and rolled down the hill thier mansion was on, down to where the lower folks (like me :p) were.
 
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Rando

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Well, really, the only thing I have that is not 80's was the blurb about Rush and Newt's illegal money from the sale of his book, which I forgot to post. All in all, I'd rather see George W. in the whitehouse then see Reagan get a third term, were that possible. HE was one of the worst presidents this country has ever seen, Republican or Democrat.

But, when it is all said and done, they are all politicians and should all probably be shot.
 
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Multani

Guest
ANNOUNCEMENT.
THE POLITICAL CORNER WILL BE POSTED ON OCTOBER 9TH!
Thank you.
 
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Zadok001

Guest
RE: That post about 50 up from this one.

I'm completely anti-9, Rando. :) 100% couldn't-care-less-whether-someone-is-hetero-or-homo-sexual. Still people. Doesn't hurt me, therefore, I say leave it alone!
 
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Namielus

Guest
The big problem I have with 9 is two things:
First; I'm unable to get a hold of a voters panflete thingy.
Second; Say they do include this 'teaching about gays' thing, how the bloodly hell are they gonna teach people? That is the bigger question.

Also thinking about it, I have my health credit for HS so I don't really care now do I.


And as we all know Bush is the worst choose for a president (excluding bucannon cause he will never win) mostly cause he is 'daddys boy' and he knows nothing about foreign polictics. And of how to say those speeches that his conceil writes for him.

Gore is a wimp, his is a limp dick wimp of a guy. Well that clears that up.

Nater, he is almost as clueless as Buch with fp but he isn't gonna be maniplated anywhere near as much as Bush. Also he will mess up the military but we don't really need that. Oh and the economy will most likey fall down a little.
 
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Cateran Emperor

Guest
I'd agree mainly with Hetemi here (big surprise hmm? :D)

I'm not liking Bush too terribly much, but compared to everyone else he comes out on top.

Hetemi, Elizabeth Dole I probably wouldn't vote for. Keys, however, I would definately vote for in this election. Why oh why couldn't McCain have bested Bush... :(
 
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Mr_Pestilence

Guest
If voting made any difference, it wouldn't be legal.
 
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Zadok001

Guest
*COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC ALERT!!!!*

A political issue has come up through a mailing list I'm attached to (the List, as it is referred to, consists of a bunch of people either in or graduated from my school). My school is very, very small, and is housed in an old facility that wasn't originally intended to be a school.

We share the building with several other programs, one of which, CEYP, is designed to assist teenage girls who become pregnant. Basically, it gives them an education, and provides them with a place for their children while they're in school, and a seperate program to stay away from the requisite teasing they would endure in the mainstream building.

Idea clear?

Alright, CEYP is also subsidized completely by taxes. So, the question is, does the program make sense? The argument against is that the money being spent on CEYP is money coming fom taxpayer's pockets to pay for the 'mistakes' of girls who should be able to support themselves.

*DISCLAIMER*: I'm doing my best to keep my personal opinion out of the above statement. The argument at the end may be, but is not nessesarily, my opinion. I just want to know what other people think here.

*END OFF TOPIC*
 
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Namielus

Guest
Well I don't like giving away money for nothing to people that really shouldn't get a second chance at that stuff...

Devil's Advocate: But I have to ask this. If there is no place for teenagers that are pregnant then wouldn't we find more died kids in dumpsters? If there is no place for these teens to get an education there kid is going to grow up dirty poor (most likely) with his/her parent(s) working full time? I don't like giving these teens such a second chance but I'm betting if each person confronted me for CEYP and told me what would happen with out the program I doubt you could say no to them.

Devil's Son: I think that they have to deal with this on there own, its not my problem that they completely #&! @#$ up. Taking away money I worked for just unfair. I someone want to help them they can give them money, but not me!

In the end, I think that CEYP is going to stick around. I don't think that there is going to be someone with the gall/stupidity to oppose it.
 
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Spiderman

Administrator
Staff member
What's the "for" argument? How much of the taxes is going toward the program and how big of a percentage is it of the overall budget?

I'm probably straddling the fence right now so far...
 
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Namielus

Guest
Thats a complete unknown. But I don't think that would make much a difference, its a pretty small program.

I just heard something very scary on a gore comerical. "Al Gore has a bill of right to protect the victems not just the crimmals" thats really scary.

[Edited by Namielus on October 7th, 2000 at 01:19 AM]
 
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Thallid Ice Cream Man

Guest
Sorry Multani, but this must be said now.

I almost completely agree with Baskil on this issue, but for a more important reason. The main reason why not to vote for Bush which will be of mortal importance for about 95% of the people who visit this site is that I am certain that if Bush is elected, he will invade Iraq, starting World War 3. The Bush family owns a lot of stock in oil companies, and recently the media has made a big deal about how the prices of oil are rising. Gore wants to use the surplus oil, but Bush obviously opposes this because it will take money away from his family. Thus, the media (which I am sure is controlled by the right, no matter what anyone says) will make a big deal about why we need to invade Iraq to get oil and that makes it justified. Recently, someone on the news made a big deal about how Sadam Hussein was saying that he was going to invade Kuwait. He has been threatening this for at least the past ten years, so the only reason a big deal would be made of it now is because the media wants to make people think that invading Iraq is necessary. We know that Bush knows very little about foreign policy, which is why Dick Cheney was selected to be his V.P. Also, I heard that about two weeks or so after Dick Cheney was selected, he still owned stock in a gun company, but he had to sell it. I am certain that if Bush is elected, he will "unexpectedly" be assassinated and Dick Cheney will replace him, which is what he will have known would happen eventually anyway. Cheney/Bush (if he's still alive) will declare war on Iraq, as gas prices will of course be rising at the time because the oil companies said so. Thus, just about everyone reading this right now will be drafted.

I personally think that Nader would be the best candidate, and I would vote for him, except for two important reasons - 1. If I voted for Nader, Gore would get less votes, thus making it easier for Bush to get elected and make this country the worst it will have ever been.
2. (more important) I can't vote :mad:

This is an important issue for me, and yes, I do think the media is right-wing.
 
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Thallid Ice Cream Man

Guest
I also think that this CEYP thing is important, if it helps people not just in the program, but also in the whole community realize that teenage pregnancies should not happen if the parents are unwilling/unable to support the family or themselves. If I had to take money away from this program, it would be better to use it for programs that would educate people about why they should not have teen pregnancies beforehand, instead of using the money for the military or a tax cut, which is what most of the people who think this program is a "waste" would use it for. Education should be the absolute top priority in a society, as it makes sure that certain mistakes are not repeated and certain things never happen.

This thread probably made me some enemies. Oh well. Maybe they'll learn something.
 
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Spiderman

Administrator
Staff member
Another debate...

I gotta say, TICM, that has got to be one of the most wacked theories. Bush doesn't want to use the oil/something about a war/people are going to get drafted?

First, I think that's totally bogus.

Second, I just have to point to the Iraq war we had in 1991 where NO ONE got drafted and to a lesser extent the Serbian bombings which, though mostly carried out by the air force, no one was talking drafting when ground plans were discussed.

Sorry, I know you can believe whatever you want, but there's got to be ALOT more evidence before I buy into this.
 
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Multani

Guest
The Political Corner is officially open for debate/discussion.
Please move all debate, discussions, and comments to that thread.
Thank you. :)
 
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arachiron

Guest
*Shudder* It is a tragedy...do we even have a choice? (Besides the fact that almost all of us are underage anyway)
Option 1: A rich white guy who looks, acts, and talks exactly like his father with a slightly drunk undertone. To quote Bush, "I worry. I'm very worried. About, you know, the kid who just wonders whether America is meant for him. I really worry about that. And, uh, so, I'm running for a reason." (Yes, to make our minds as pitiful as his)

Option 2: A rich white guy who claims, Robots are people too. :)

Sigh, we all know Nader (Buchannan doesn't even count) has no chance.

So, what are we, the insignificant members of society to do...Hey, how should I know? Do you?

Opinions, comments, etc. etc...?

I'm being forcefed crappy politics and being made to watch debates. Help me!!!!!
 
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