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train
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I'll go with defender of law...
Points Draft?
- Thread starter Spiderman
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Melkor - 42 pts, 12 cards
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Ransac, cpa trash man
Melkor - 42 pts, 12 cards
- Mind Extraction
- Python
- Urborg Elf
- Imperiosaur
- Ghitu War Cry
- Unearth
- Grave Defiler
- Sick and Tired
- Sliversmith
- Shimmering Mirage
- Lava Axe
- Centaur Omenreader
- Elven Cache
- Shimmering Efreet
- Coastal Drake
- Aven Windreader
- Mesmeric Sliver
- Cloud Key
- Whirlpool Rider
- Phyrexian Walker
- Weatherseed Treefolk
- Coral Atoll
- Gaea's Skyfolk
- Defender of Law
- Goblin Piker
- Coalition Honor Guard
- Scalebane's Elite
- Grinning Ignus
- Dwarven Vigilantes
- Gathan Raiders
- Kavu Primarch
- Knight of Valor
- Bogarden Lancer
- Intervention Pact
- Rift Elemental
- Rock Slide
- Giant Cockroach
- Helionaut
- Ichor Slick
- Warrior's Honor
- Giant Cockroach
- King Cheetah
- Crypt Rats
- Phyrexian Debaser
- Grave Scrabbler
- Repopulate
- Putrid Cyclops
- Urborg Uprising
- Master Decoy
- Miraculous Recovery
- Mother of Runes
- Sisay's Ring
- Mournful Zombie
- Temporal Spring
- Blade of the Sixth Pride
- Pooling Venom
- Putrid Warrior
- Katabatic Winds
Draft List
- (5) Whirlpool Warrior
- (4) Tahngarth's Glare
- (3) Goblin Sky Raider
- (2) Dega Disciple
- (1) Keldon Megaliths
- (0) Patrician's Scorn
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EricBess
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The concern I have with this format is that there isn't any reciprocation. With a normal draft, there isn't a lot (2nd pack out of 3 goes back the other way), but you don't know for sure what everyone is drafting. With a rochester draft, each pack goes both directions, so there is just as much going left as there is going right. With this, all picks are open, but there isn't any reciprocation, so it's really easy to simply get into the color that the person after you is drafting and it basically hurts them without damaging you at all...
That was my point Mooseman when you took the Helionaut. I'm not saying that you shouldn't draft white, just that right now, the two people drafting white were me and train. Train goes before you, so I'm not sure why you want to compete, but I get cut. Realistically, I'm not sure I understand what strategically is the best way to play this sort of draft. I've got a strong white commitment, so I probably stay there anyway and hope to have more points when key cards come up, but just as the nature of the draft, my best options going forward are probably to look for what Melkor or Spiderman are going for and to cut them the same way.
Has anyone here done a points draft before? I'm interested to know is this is a fairly typical pattern...
That was my point Mooseman when you took the Helionaut. I'm not saying that you shouldn't draft white, just that right now, the two people drafting white were me and train. Train goes before you, so I'm not sure why you want to compete, but I get cut. Realistically, I'm not sure I understand what strategically is the best way to play this sort of draft. I've got a strong white commitment, so I probably stay there anyway and hope to have more points when key cards come up, but just as the nature of the draft, my best options going forward are probably to look for what Melkor or Spiderman are going for and to cut them the same way.
Has anyone here done a points draft before? I'm interested to know is this is a fairly typical pattern...
To me, it seems that the best strategy to draft (at least early on) is to go for the best card that you're willing to pay the least for. If someone else takes a card you're interested in, then work around it. I don't think that it's worth complaining about. If everyone had settled into a set strategy right now, what would be the point of continuing the draft? I should just hand out cards based on what I see in strategy. It's because people are still feeling out what is worth what to others.
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Melkor - 42 pts, 12 cards
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Ransac, cpa trash man
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Melkor - 42 pts, 12 cards
- Mind Extraction
- Python
- Urborg Elf
- Imperiosaur
- Ghitu War Cry
- Unearth
- Grave Defiler
- Sick and Tired
- Sliversmith
- Shimmering Mirage
- Lava Axe
- Centaur Omenreader
- Elven Cache
- Shimmering Efreet
- Coastal Drake
- Aven Windreader
- Mesmeric Sliver
- Cloud Key
- Whirlpool Rider
- Phyrexian Walker
- Weatherseed Treefolk
- Coral Atoll
- Gaea's Skyfolk
- Defender of Law
- Goblin Piker
- Coalition Honor Guard
- Scalebane's Elite
- Grinning Ignus
- Dwarven Vigilantes
- Gathan Raiders
- Kavu Primarch
- Knight of Valor
- Bogarden Lancer
- Intervention Pact
- Rift Elemental
- Rock Slide
- Dega Disciple
- Giant Cockroach
- Helionaut
- Ichor Slick
- Warrior's Honor
- Giant Cockroach
- King Cheetah
- Crypt Rats
- Phyrexian Debaser
- Grave Scrabbler
- Repopulate
- Putrid Cyclops
- Urborg Uprising
- Master Decoy
- Miraculous Recovery
- Mother of Runes
- Sisay's Ring
- Mournful Zombie
- Temporal Spring
- Blade of the Sixth Pride
- Pooling Venom
- Putrid Warrior
- Katabatic Winds
Draft List
- (5) Urborg Uprising #2
- (4) Whirlpool Warrior
- (3) Tahngarth's Glare
- (2) Goblin Sky Raider
- (1) Keldon Megaliths
- (0) Patrician's Scorn
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EricBess
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I'm not complaining so much as pointing out that this format has (what I consider) flaws. I'm not upset by how it's going so much. I paid an early 5-points for a white card. I don't remember if train has taken any white at that point, but even if he had, I would have done it. Had I known Mooseman was going to switch to strong white, I might have taken something else instead of spending so much on a single card so early. Basically, I chose an early strategy without understanding the format and it may end up costing me. Still...I have more points left than either train or Mooseman, so at this point, I hope there are some very late bombs in that color 
In the meantime, Patrician's Scorn might be useful or it might not, but I'd rather go a bit forward looking at this point, so I'll spend the 1 point and take the Megaliths (not to mention that it's one of the few cards that easily gets around the earlier referenced white card)
In the meantime, Patrician's Scorn might be useful or it might not, but I'd rather go a bit forward looking at this point, so I'll spend the 1 point and take the Megaliths (not to mention that it's one of the few cards that easily gets around the earlier referenced white card
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Melkor - 42 pts, 12 cards
Draft List
Ransac, cpa trash man
Melkor - 42 pts, 12 cards
- Mind Extraction
- Python
- Urborg Elf
- Imperiosaur
- Ghitu War Cry
- Unearth
- Grave Defiler
- Sick and Tired
- Sliversmith
- Shimmering Mirage
- Lava Axe
- Centaur Omenreader
- Elven Cache
- Shimmering Efreet
- Coastal Drake
- Aven Windreader
- Mesmeric Sliver
- Cloud Key
- Whirlpool Rider
- Phyrexian Walker
- Weatherseed Treefolk
- Coral Atoll
- Gaea's Skyfolk
- Defender of Law
- Goblin Piker
- Coalition Honor Guard
- Scalebane's Elite
- Grinning Ignus
- Dwarven Vigilantes
- Gathan Raiders
- Kavu Primarch
- Knight of Valor
- Bogarden Lancer
- Intervention Pact
- Rift Elemental
- Rock Slide
- Dega Disciple
- Giant Cockroach
- Helionaut
- Ichor Slick
- Warrior's Honor
- Giant Cockroach
- King Cheetah
- Crypt Rats
- Phyrexian Debaser
- Grave Scrabbler
- Repopulate
- Putrid Cyclops
- Keldon Megaliths
- Urborg Uprising
- Master Decoy
- Miraculous Recovery
- Mother of Runes
- Sisay's Ring
- Mournful Zombie
- Temporal Spring
- Blade of the Sixth Pride
- Pooling Venom
- Putrid Warrior
- Katabatic Winds
Draft List
- (5) Goblin Chariot
- (4) Urborg Uprising #2
- (3) Whirlpool Warrior
- (2) Tahngarth's Glare
- (1) Goblin Sky Raider
- (0) Patrician's Scorn
Ransac, cpa trash man
I haven't done one of these before and it was in an article in one of the old Duelists, so not sure how the writers dealt with it. They did do it with only one expansion so the players kinda knew the card pool more.
But I think that's just the risks you take. Sure, you might signal your colors early and take a strong card for lots of points, but I don't think that puts anyone else under any obligation to NOT take your colors from then on, if a strong card shows up on their turn. I mean, it could easily go the other way, with just one card showing up on their turn and they think they have a chance on that color and then it goes back to always appearing on your turn after that.
But let's see how it all plays out first...
But I think that's just the risks you take. Sure, you might signal your colors early and take a strong card for lots of points, but I don't think that puts anyone else under any obligation to NOT take your colors from then on, if a strong card shows up on their turn. I mean, it could easily go the other way, with just one card showing up on their turn and they think they have a chance on that color and then it goes back to always appearing on your turn after that.
But let's see how it all plays out first...
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Melkor - 41 pts, 13 cards
Draft List
Ransac, cpa trash man
Melkor - 41 pts, 13 cards
- Goblin Sky Raider
- Mind Extraction
- Python
- Urborg Elf
- Imperiosaur
- Ghitu War Cry
- Unearth
- Grave Defiler
- Sick and Tired
- Sliversmith
- Shimmering Mirage
- Lava Axe
- Centaur Omenreader
- Elven Cache
- Shimmering Efreet
- Coastal Drake
- Aven Windreader
- Mesmeric Sliver
- Cloud Key
- Whirlpool Rider
- Phyrexian Walker
- Weatherseed Treefolk
- Coral Atoll
- Gaea's Skyfolk
- Defender of Law
- Goblin Piker
- Coalition Honor Guard
- Scalebane's Elite
- Grinning Ignus
- Dwarven Vigilantes
- Gathan Raiders
- Kavu Primarch
- Knight of Valor
- Bogarden Lancer
- Intervention Pact
- Rift Elemental
- Rock Slide
- Dega Disciple
- Giant Cockroach
- Helionaut
- Ichor Slick
- Warrior's Honor
- Giant Cockroach
- King Cheetah
- Crypt Rats
- Phyrexian Debaser
- Grave Scrabbler
- Repopulate
- Putrid Cyclops
- Keldon Megaliths
- Urborg Uprising
- Master Decoy
- Miraculous Recovery
- Mother of Runes
- Sisay's Ring
- Mournful Zombie
- Temporal Spring
- Blade of the Sixth Pride
- Pooling Venom
- Putrid Warrior
- Katabatic Winds
Draft List
- (5) Walking Sponge
- (4) Goblin Chariot
- (3) Urborg Uprising #2
- (2) Whirlpool Warrior
- (1) Tahngarth's Glare
- (0) Patrician's Scorn
Ransac, cpa trash man
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Melkor - 41 pts, 13 cards
Draft List
Ransac, cpa trash man
Melkor - 41 pts, 13 cards
- Goblin Sky Raider
- Mind Extraction
- Python
- Urborg Elf
- Imperiosaur
- Ghitu War Cry
- Unearth
- Grave Defiler
- Sick and Tired
- Sliversmith
- Shimmering Mirage
- Lava Axe
- Centaur Omenreader
- Whirlpool Warrior
- Elven Cache
- Shimmering Efreet
- Coastal Drake
- Aven Windreader
- Mesmeric Sliver
- Cloud Key
- Whirlpool Rider
- Phyrexian Walker
- Weatherseed Treefolk
- Coral Atoll
- Gaea's Skyfolk
- Defender of Law
- Goblin Piker
- Coalition Honor Guard
- Scalebane's Elite
- Grinning Ignus
- Dwarven Vigilantes
- Gathan Raiders
- Kavu Primarch
- Knight of Valor
- Bogarden Lancer
- Intervention Pact
- Rift Elemental
- Rock Slide
- Dega Disciple
- Giant Cockroach
- Helionaut
- Ichor Slick
- Warrior's Honor
- Giant Cockroach
- King Cheetah
- Crypt Rats
- Phyrexian Debaser
- Grave Scrabbler
- Repopulate
- Putrid Cyclops
- Keldon Megaliths
- Urborg Uprising
- Master Decoy
- Miraculous Recovery
- Mother of Runes
- Sisay's Ring
- Mournful Zombie
- Temporal Spring
- Blade of the Sixth Pride
- Pooling Venom
- Putrid Warrior
- Katabatic Winds
Draft List
- (5) Swat
- (4) Walking Sponge
- (3) Goblin Chariot
- (2) Urborg Uprising #2
- (1) Tahngarth's Glare
- (0) Patrician's Scorn
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EricBess
Guest
Yeah, I'm just thinking that it's a format where it doesn't pay to get overly committed to anything. Try to get some decent cards, but don't get too comfortable with any one color. Wait for the bombs and hope they are something you can support.
For example - what would you do Spidey if Melkor started taking blue very strongly? You've got a strong blue commitment right now, but you would need to consider your other options as well.
For example - what would you do Spidey if Melkor started taking blue very strongly? You've got a strong blue commitment right now, but you would need to consider your other options as well.
Mooseman
Isengar Tussle
Don't forget counter-drafting..... Melkor may not need the blue bomb, but he may not want Spidey to have it.....
I only changed to white because the green dried up and the black was being drafted by more than one player...... Heck, I may start drafting blue or red if it will help me.... (not that anything could do that)
I only changed to white because the green dried up and the black was being drafted by more than one player...... Heck, I may start drafting blue or red if it will help me.... (not that anything could do that)
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train
Guest
Swat...
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Melkor - 41 pts, 13 cards
Draft List
Ransac, cpa trash man
Melkor - 41 pts, 13 cards
- Goblin Sky Raider
- Mind Extraction
- Python
- Urborg Elf
- Imperiosaur
- Ghitu War Cry
- Unearth
- Grave Defiler
- Sick and Tired
- Sliversmith
- Shimmering Mirage
- Lava Axe
- Centaur Omenreader
- Whirlpool Warrior
- Elven Cache
- Shimmering Efreet
- Coastal Drake
- Aven Windreader
- Mesmeric Sliver
- Cloud Key
- Whirlpool Rider
- Phyrexian Walker
- Weatherseed Treefolk
- Coral Atoll
- Gaea's Skyfolk
- Swat
- Defender of Law
- Goblin Piker
- Coalition Honor Guard
- Scalebane's Elite
- Grinning Ignus
- Dwarven Vigilantes
- Gathan Raiders
- Kavu Primarch
- Knight of Valor
- Bogarden Lancer
- Intervention Pact
- Rift Elemental
- Rock Slide
- Dega Disciple
- Giant Cockroach
- Helionaut
- Ichor Slick
- Warrior's Honor
- Giant Cockroach
- King Cheetah
- Crypt Rats
- Phyrexian Debaser
- Grave Scrabbler
- Repopulate
- Putrid Cyclops
- Keldon Megaliths
- Urborg Uprising
- Master Decoy
- Miraculous Recovery
- Mother of Runes
- Sisay's Ring
- Mournful Zombie
- Temporal Spring
- Blade of the Sixth Pride
- Pooling Venom
- Putrid Warrior
- Katabatic Winds
Draft List
- (5) Breezekeeper
- (4) Walking Sponge
- (3) Goblin Chariot
- (2) Urborg Uprising #2
- (1) Tahngarth's Glare
- (0) Patrician's Scorn
Ransac, cpa trash man
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Melkor - 41 pts, 13 cards
Draft List
Ransac, cpa trash man
Melkor - 41 pts, 13 cards
- Goblin Sky Raider
- Mind Extraction
- Python
- Urborg Elf
- Imperiosaur
- Ghitu War Cry
- Unearth
- Grave Defiler
- Sick and Tired
- Sliversmith
- Shimmering Mirage
- Lava Axe
- Centaur Omenreader
- Whirlpool Warrior
- Elven Cache
- Shimmering Efreet
- Coastal Drake
- Aven Windreader
- Mesmeric Sliver
- Cloud Key
- Whirlpool Rider
- Phyrexian Walker
- Weatherseed Treefolk
- Coral Atoll
- Gaea's Skyfolk
- Swat
- Defender of Law
- Goblin Piker
- Coalition Honor Guard
- Scalebane's Elite
- Grinning Ignus
- Dwarven Vigilantes
- Gathan Raiders
- Kavu Primarch
- Knight of Valor
- Bogarden Lancer
- Intervention Pact
- Rift Elemental
- Rock Slide
- Urborg Uprising
- Dega Disciple
- Giant Cockroach
- Helionaut
- Ichor Slick
- Warrior's Honor
- Giant Cockroach
- King Cheetah
- Crypt Rats
- Phyrexian Debaser
- Grave Scrabbler
- Repopulate
- Putrid Cyclops
- Keldon Megaliths
- Urborg Uprising
- Master Decoy
- Miraculous Recovery
- Mother of Runes
- Sisay's Ring
- Mournful Zombie
- Temporal Spring
- Blade of the Sixth Pride
- Pooling Venom
- Putrid Warrior
- Katabatic Winds
Draft List
- (5) Dega Sanctuary
- (4) Breezekeeper
- (3) Walking Sponge
- (2) Goblin Chariot
- (1) Tahngarth's Glare
- (0) Patrician's Scorn
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EricBess
Guest
Well...the Patrician's Scorn is still there for free...There are a few other decent cards, but nothing I can confidently spend that many points on to switch colors, so I'll just take the Scorn.