Must have's

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Griffith_se

Guest
Hi,

I'm trying to put together a list of cards that are must have's.

What I mean are cards like "Birds of Paradise".
Card that are most used.
Cards that are automatic "four in a deck".

Must have's.

Please list them bellow.
Thanks.
 
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Gizmo

Guest
T2 pre-Planeshift
White
Disenchant
Wrath Of God
Ramosian Sergeant

Blue
Counterspell
Fact Or Fiction

Black
There are no good black spells

Red
Shock
Hammer Of Bogardan

Green
Llanowar Elf
Birds Of Paradise
River Boa
Blastoderm

Gold
Undermine
Absorb
Wax/Wane

Artifact
Chimeric Idol

Land
Rishadan Port

Is the basic list of all the ESSENTIAL spells.
The list of REALLY GOOD spells is much bigger.
 
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Hetemti

Guest
These are my critter and non-critter picks for most likely to run for in any deck of that color. They may not be the "best," but are the most universally useful en masse.

Red
Lightning Bolt
Viashino Cutthroat (Woulda said Fireslinger, but I LOVE these guys!)

White
Swords to Plowshares
Mother of Runes

Black
Expunge (Cycling is some good with limited-use cards)
Ravenous Rats

Green
Rancor
Birds of Paridise

Blue
Counterspell
Cloud of Færies (Again, Cycling and they're free)

Artifact
Cursed Scroll
Rackling

Land
City of Brass
Treetop Village (Gotta love hearing them squeal, "Someone Pillage that Village!")
 
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superguy

Guest
If you mean the entire Magic pool since the beginning, stuff that doesn't cost too much, buy you MUST have, is:
Red:
Lightning Bolt
Incinerate
More Expensive:
Wheel of Fortune
Fork
Black:
Dark Ritual
Hypnotic Specter
Duress
More Expensive:
Umm... Maybe Sinkhole or Demonic Hordes?
Blue:
Counterspell
Brainstorm/Fact or Fiction/Accumulated Knowledge
More Expensive:
Force of Will
Morhpling
Green:
Rancor
Pouncing Jaguar
Giant Growth
River Boa
Blastoderm
More Expensive:
Kavu Titan
Berserk
Regrowth
White:
Swords to Plowshares
Mother of Runes
More Expensive:
Palladian En-Vec
Savannah Lions
Balance

Well, that's my 2 cents...
 
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Mundungu

Guest
I will limit myself to white, 'cause that's the color I ahve been playing the most with.
I also indicate how many of the cards are necessary
In white the Must have are :
Utility
x Moat
1 Balance
4 sword to Plowshare
4 Abeyance
4 Armageddon
4 Wrath of god
4 enlightned tutor
enchantment
4 Parallax wave
4 crusade/glorious anthem
4 sacred mesa
4 Land tax
4 Empyrial Armor
Creatures
4 white knigt
4 Paladin En Vec
4 Serra Angel
4 Mother of runes
4 soul warden
4 Academy rector
4 radiant's dragoon
2 Soltary monk
2 soltary priest
2 soltari champion
2 soltari emissary (the kill enchantment guys)
2 Radiant Archangel
Sideboards cards
2 light of day
2 Warmth
2 hidden Refuge (the anti land destruction)
2 Presence of the master
Lands for white
4 Kjeldoran outpost
4 watchtower

That's all on the top of my head right now ... some more might come later ...
 
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Ransac

CPA Trash Man
Did someone say that there are NO good black cards?????


ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Ransac turns into a giant possum creature.*

RANSAC SMASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dark Ritual
Stupor
Thrashing Wumpus
Vampiric Tutor


WHAT WERE YOU THINKING???????


Ransac, cpa trash man
 
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Istanbul

Guest
I can't believe nobody has mentioned Demonic Tutor. Good ol' DT...
Priest of Titania?
Stroke of Genius?
Fireblast?
 
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Spiderman

Administrator
Staff member
These are MUST-HAVE cards, not "sometimes going to use them cards" (like the 2 of something cards, Mundungu, no offense).

And are you going to use 4 Stroke of Genius' in almost every blue deck?

Here, off the top of my head:

Swords to Plowshares
Lightning Bolt
Rancor
Counterspell
Diabolic Edict

At least one of the Restricted cards in Type I

As many Duals as you can get :)
 
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Mundungu

Guest
Spidey : no offense taken.
However I wanted to make a point that the "must have" is not necesserally "needs four of".

In white, the most common archetype is WW, so I believe the staples of WW must be added. Furthermore those are uncommons and easy to get.

My interpretation of the question was "must have" in terms of what you should seek out for optimum play now and in the future and hence will stand behind my list. Up to Griffith to interpret it.

My list of "Must haves" is actually constitued of my non-trade rare binder with about a hundred cards plus my want list (another 30 or so).

As far as the definition :
"Card that are most used.
Cards that are automatic "four in a deck". "

that all depends what you play. I am not a firm believer of the four of rule.
There are the obvious power cards.

I would recommend to read the old Inquest with the top 100 Magic cards. That was pretty much on target.
 
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Purple_jester

Guest
No pure Blue players here, I guess. I'll have to help out in that regard.

Ahem.

MANA DRAIN.
FORCE OF WILL. (superguy mentioned this, but it wasn't so expensive when I first laid my hands on them)

There. That wasn't so hard, now was it?

There are others, but most of 'em are restricted. Time Spiral, Time Walk and Ancestral Recall are the three best.

As for black, well, I can think of only 2 cards I would always put 4 of in a deck.

HYPNOTIC SPECTER.
HYMN TO TOURACH.

Gotta love the Hymn. Gotta hate the Hymn. Hymn mucho evil. Duress almost as mucho evil, but not quite. ;)
 
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arhar

Guest
I have to say I pretty much agree with everything Gizmo said. And people, the original post was for "essential cards", meaning you HAVE to own them for building 95% of your decks. So I don't think Radiant, Archangel or Viashino Cutthroat qualify.

Also, Gizmo said there are no good black spells in T2. Well, what he meant was there are no good black spells in tournament-playing T2. In casual play, these are must-haves IMHO:

Dark Ritual

err... that's about it!
 
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Spiderman

Administrator
Staff member
Nah, you need some removal. I like Diabolic Edict but you can go with Terror. And like PJ said, Hymns or Hippies should be at least a strong consideration, if not not "must-haves" (maybe "strongly recommended" :))
 
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Hetemti

Guest
?! Viashino Cutthroat does too apply!

The only cards you MUST HAVE for 95% of all decks are the basic lands. That's it. Nothing else is truly indespensable.
 
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Spiderman

Administrator
Staff member
Well, yeah, if you're doing ALL decks. But certain cards seem to appear in a lot of deck lists (if you're going at least three color (and maybe even two) and you have green, you're going to want BoPs). And then as Mundungu mentioned, if you want to get even more specific by color, there are certain cards you want. I think thats what we're talking about here.
 
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Griffith_se

Guest
What are the Necessary's (need 4) from Planeshift?

The point of this is to help Me collect a pool of cards for T2.

Let's say the top 5 in each color.

black
blue
gold
green
red
white
artifact
land
 
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Lotus Mox

Guest
Black:
Nightscape Familiar
Phyrexian Scuta
Sinister Strength

Red:
Flametongue Kavu
Thunderscape Battlemage

Blue:
Rushing River

White:
Voice of All
Orim's Chant

Green:
Thornscape Familiar
Thornscape Battlemage

Artifact:
Star Compass

Land:
all Lairs
Terminal Moraine

Gold:
Terminate
Fleetfoot Panther
Questing Phelddagrif
Dromar's Charm
Meddling Mage
 
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Hetemti

Guest
Don't forget Gerrard's Command. It's really nice, especially with Armadillio Cloak.
 
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Dementia

Guest
Ok 99% of these decks have these cards.

Blue-Counterspell(perhaps the greatest card ever printed)

Black-Dark Ritual(prolly 100% on this one)

Red-Shock/Seal of Fire(Lightning Bolt were it's legal)

Green-Llanowar Elves(Birds left out in mono)

White-Disenchant(in sideboard I suppose)

Look at the cards I named and think to yourself how often you started making a deck and Dark Ritual isn't even a question you start by making a 56 card deck and than adding 4 Ritz. The same is true for all the others too(except for Disenchant, I don't know, I just couldn't think of a must for white)

Tell me how right I am.......Please.
 
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