Marked cards

[Mundungu]

Seeing the thread about the "marked" invasion it is also stated that foils are easily identified in decks, even when in sleeves.

I also heard that the foil cards tend to "bend" as time passes and really get easily identifiable.

I know that in most tournaments nobody would really care, especially us casual players who (naively) believe that our opponents will be as fair play as we are.

But when you reach the pro tour, or even events where prices are substencial ( and yes a box of products worth 100+ IS substancial) the card playing "pro" who is able to recognise that difference between cards will retain a certain advantage.

So what to do ?

Should WOTC (well DCI actually) ban foils in tournaments, which would ultimatly rend the foil hunting a thing of the past.

In professional poker, the player do not bring their own cards, they are provided by the organisators.

That is true of limited formats. But in constructed, should the people playing for money just give their decklist and be provided the cards to make sure that no card marking takes place ?

But then it would be unfair ! Especially the pros wouldnt need to buy the cards they want to play !

What can be done, what should be done ?
I am not that concerned because I am not a tourney player but I am interested in the moral aspect of it.
Any opinion on the matter ?


Do you see an issue there ?

 

[Baskil]

Being a regular tourney goer, I have had first-hand experience with what you are describing. However, There is a simple solution to the problem of 'marked' cards. Shuffle your opponent's decks. Of course, if the card is marked itself, you can call a judge on them (I believe). However, depending on the circumstances, that may seem kind of pricky to do. Personally, I think the DCI should make it mandatory to use opaque sleeves if the K-value>16. As far as foils are concerned, a player (I believe) is not supposed to touch the top card of his or her library unless they are drawing a card. I believe that is a game loss offence, I am not sure. Maybe Gizmo has some insight into this?

 

[Apollo]

Baskil, as it says in the other thread, Invasion cards are marked straight from the pack, on the edge of the card. So you can't call a judge. Plus, shuffling your opponent's deck doesn't necessarily solve the problem because they still have advance knowledge of what cards are coming up. And you don't have to touch the deck to do it. All you have to do is look at the edge. If you move your head over to the side, you can see the edge of the deck and determine what's coming up.

 

[Volradon]

I'm pretty sure that u can call the judge even if the cards are marked out of a pack, at least in constructed.

 

[Spiderman]

I haven't reached the other thread yet but are you saying you can tell the edge difference from the top/bottom? I thought it was from the side, so that when you put a card in a sleeve you're doing it top/bottom so you can't see it.

So then are you saying you can see the thickness even through the sleeve by looking at it? If so, that's pretty bad (although maybe there can be a stalling call because you looks at their deck like that in normal play?)

 

[Apollo]

The foils are thick enough that I can pick the foil out every time from looking at the top of the cards, even in sleeves.

Besides, you don't have to play with your deck sleeved.

 

[Darsh]

You can tell them in sleeves because they do curl up, it doesn't take very long either.

Bad Tourney player, BAD!

 

[Spiderman]

I think I misread this thread; this one's about FOIL cards, while the other is about coloration on regular cards... 'cause I was referring to the coloration...

oh well. Yeah, I know you don't have to play with sleeves (I dislike them myself) but if they needed to be required to keep the cards being marked, well... (although it looks like it doesn't matter, you can tell either way).