Looking to accelerate a G/U deck.

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Hetemti

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I've never liked the U/G madness decks, but I did enjoy the fact that Wild Mongrel gave green a good creature for the first time since what, Saga?

So, here's what I came up with.

• Real Estate.
7 Forest.
4 Island.
4 Yavamaya Coast.
2 Tropical Island. (Yeah, I need a couple more for the meld.)
• Altrenate Mana.
R Chrome Mox.
4 Birds of Paradise.
• Land Search.
4 Land Grant.
R Crop Rotation.
• Solutions.
3 Wash Out.
2 Boomerang.
2 Naturalize.
• Warriors.
3 Serendib Efreet
3 Gaea's Skyfolk.
4 Wild Mongrel.
4 Rancor.
• Fun.
2 Hurricane.
1 Fireshrieker.
• Draw.
4 Accumulated Knowledge.
2 Impulse.
R Fact or Fiction.
R Ancestral Recall.
R Gush.


Now, this is a fully agressive deck, with a minimal amount of control. I must be ready to handle anything that directly gets in my way, but I can't distract from the agressive side, or I'll wind up too slow to kill before I run out of what control I have.

So, after fifty goldfish rounds I got this:

4 **
5 ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** *
6 ***** ***** ***** *
7 ***** *

56% of the time I can get to 20 points in on turn five (and usually much more), but I'd really like more turn 4 kills. However, without the glorious Chrome, Hound, Rancors, Recall/Gush coming out of my deck like eletrocuted earthworms, I just can't seem to get at Turn 4.

So, any ideas out there that can push that distrobution upward a bit? As far as I care, a 7 turn hand is a loss, and those sixes are pretty sad.

Ideas in my head...
• Lotus Petal: It'd serve the same purpose as Chrome Mox, but only cost one card, which may get my 4-turn ratio up from 4% to 7%, but what to cut for it...
• Serendib Efreet: He doesn't really factor into the fast kill equation, but if I don't see hound, 3/4 in the air is respectible, and if I have to drop a non-lethal Hurricane, my other creatures (Gaea's and Birds) are sure to fall. Four on the backside means I can shoot down flying kittens that white got in Mirrodin without losing the elite efreet.
• Crop Rotation: Turning a first turn Forest into first turn TropIs, and still popping out a Bird is strong. Plus it thins. But, is that good enough to earn the slot?
• Elvish Sprit Guide: I don't have them, but should I try to get 'em? I suppose they'd go in place of the Accumulated, though the latter proves VERY handy when the game does run long.
• Instill Energy: Haste can be handy. I have three, I could put them in place of Accumulated, with the fourth slot going to Arcanus the Delicious. I had him in for a while. If 3 cards per turn isn't enough, Inergy would make him cough up six. That makes hounds happy.
• Strip Mine: I don't use a lot of colorless (hence no Sol Ring), but would the slight chance at colorscrew be worth the slight chance of disrupting an opponent who kept a land-light hand?
• Temporal Spring: It's expensive and sorcery, but it does bounce and it stalls the opponent by keeping him out of his deck a bit. Worthwhile, or would the endless hordes of Sensei's Divining Dreidels make that just kinda silly?


The good thing about the deck is it inherently knows no dead cards. That which isn't attacking is drawing, except for the bounce, which almost never goes to waste, and anything that isn't particulalry useful gets fed to the hound for the win.
 

Oversoul

The Tentacled One
Hetemti said:
I've never liked the U/G madness decks, but I did enjoy the fact that Wild Mongrel gave green a good creature for the first time since what, Saga?
I'd say Prophecy with Spore Frog. Failing that, I'd say Nemesis with Blastoderm (and failing that Urza's Destiny with Rofellos, then Urza's Legacy with Deranged Hermit).

As far as the issue at hand, though...

I am trying to think of ways to make this thing better. But every time I either try to turn it into UGR Madness (an aggro deck in Legacy that is very fun to play) or the Vintage version of UG Madness.

You might want to look up some decklists for those and see if there are any concepts you'd like to port into your deck. More later...
 
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Hetemti

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Madness is horrible. I hate it hate it hate it. Evil, boring, stupid.

I meant Saga as in the block, but then again, I found Priest of Titania to be more handy than my Roffie, and Deranged Hermit never worked for me. Spore Frog is just silly abuseful stuff. Blastoderm...I don't know why but I never found him to be any fun. Except for the foil one I got for free from WizCo. ^_^
 

Oversoul

The Tentacled One
Hetemti said:
Madness is horrible. I hate it hate it hate it. Evil, boring, stupid.
It also gets fast kills.

Okay, without using Madness, and without turning this into an aggro-control deck, what about making it more like Stompy?
 
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Hetemti

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I just wanted to make it faster, not make it into some other extant deck. Besides, I only have two Albino Trolls.
 
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sageridder

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I might replace the Hurricanes and Fireshrieker for storm seekers so you don't have to worry about your own fliers.you might consider replacing the chrome moxen with mox diamonds so your discarding less spells since you have creatures that will be eating them up.the diamonds would also support the birds in allowing you to splash other colors giving you more choices for your sideboard.something to think about anyway.
 
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Mikeymike

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Do you own any of the following?

- Berserk
- Moxen
- Black Lotus
- Time Walk

All of which will add to the speed you desire. All of which all happen to be extremely expensive, but I digress.

I would include a single copy of Gaea's Cradle if only for that 1 Crop Rotation. It might mean a big turn 4 Hurricane, and/or explosive turns 2 and 3.

I think Fireshrieker can be a better card. Another creature would help, or if you want to critter-boost, consider O-Naginata, which can equip the Efreet and Mongrel (post discard), or a Rancored Skyfolk.
 
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Hetemti

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Been a while...I did make a few changes, Wash Out is washed out, Countersnakes are in. I don't have good T1 stuff beyond the Recall (...though I almost got a Walk with the Recall...) and my Berserk is in my Green/Equipment deck.

I'll throw in the Cradle, though usually if I have many critters out, I'm going to get Wrathed and screwed. If I can find a Shrieker (I might have a fifth) or an O I'll give 'em a spin.
 
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