Invasion: Counterlor

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Gizmo

Guest
Counterlor
v1.0

2 Daze
4 Counterspell
4 Undermine
4 Thwart
1 Foil
(15)

4 Terror
3 Distorting Wake
(7)

4 Derelor
4 Air Elemental
(8)

4 Fact Or Fiction
(4)

2 Dust Bowl (if Kor Haven is played, maybe Terrain Generator or spells)
2 Salt Marsh
4 Underground River
4 Swamp
14 Island
(26)

This one is meant to be fast, counter turns1-4, drop a monster, use an ACC, then win. Might be too optimistic and need tweaking. Not sure about the creature removal mix, Vendetta might hurt too much. Looking at the Invasion rare Barrin`s Spite (choose two creatures, kill one, unsummon the other) but I think I need cheap Instant stuff not big sorceries.
It`s only an Alpha build remember, though, so be kind.
 
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galtwish

Guest
I'd suggest Waters:

4 Bouncer
4 Derelor
4 Troublesome Spirit
4 Rising Waters
1 Vampiric Tutor
3 Recoil/Snuff Out
3 Thwart
4 Counterspell
1 Foil
4 Daze
2 Charcoal Daimond
4 Sky Diamond
4 Port
5 Swamp
13 Islands

Or no waters, just aggro
4 Derelor
4 Stronghold Zepplin
3 Terror/Snuff Out
4 Undermine
4 Recoil/Boomerang/Withdraw/Wash Out
4 Counterspell
3 Thwart
1 Foil
4 Prohibit/Power Sink/Fact or Fiction
4 Desperate Research
4 Rishadan Port
4 Underground River
4 Salt Marsh
3 Swamp
10 Islands

the Research could be the best thing for aggro decks since Negator. I don't like all the high CC stuff in the other decks (Fact or Fiction, Distorting Wake, Derelor & Elemental)

Erik
 
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Gizmo

Guest
I think an aggro U/B deck would work from Jay Schneider`s Goldfish base. This is hopefully more like AlTran beatdown.
 
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Gizmo

Guest
Just a second. Isn`t Desperate Research absolutely terrible? It`s a Demonic Consult that only looks 7 cards deep isn`t it? You`d have to pay me to play with that because 50% of the time it`ll be a dead card. How bad is that?

(Checks spoiler list)

AND it`s a Sorcery?
Forget it.
 
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Cateran Emperor

Guest
It's not terrible, it's desperate :D Well, it's not terrible if you can Soothsaying for a LOT...
 
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galtwish

Guest
I'm testing it a lot in a R/B beatdown deck, and it is terrible...like Consultaition is. If your card isn't in the top 7, your 7 cards closer to it. Yes it is balanced 9the cards doen't go to the GY and you can't get land), but it really helps in finding a Hammer or Skizzik, and I think it could be really helpful in finding a creature you need or what ever. i wopuldn't run 4 like I posted, but I think it may have a place. Yes, it probably would be better in a burn deck, but it is deep searching, and it is cheap.

Erik
 
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Gizmo

Guest
Yeah, but Consult is like the best card EVER - even better than Demonic Tutor most of the time!
Why?
Because it GOT YOU THE CARD! It didn`t 'maybe' get the card, but at least get you closer to it (for a 2cc Sorcery effect) - it got you the card, and put it into your hand at the end of the oponent`s turn so you could hit him with it next turn.
I`d rather use Vampirics, I`d even rather run Rhystics as they are less likely to be useless.

Sorry, I might be wrong (and I`ve not tried it) but I think the Research is REALLY Desperate.
 
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Purple_jester

Guest
Someday, they're going to make a card similar to Pack Hunt that allows you to place multiple copies of a certain card on top of your library. Then maybe Desperate Research won't be so difficult to use. I found one, and I'm going to hold on to it just in case it gets broken someday.

I still remember the wonders Yawgmoth's Will performed on the Lion's Eye Diamond... ;)

Oh, and I do agree. Consult is one of the best tutors out there, so long as you're looking for a key card (assumed 4 copies in the deck). Perfect for combo decks actually.
 
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Mikeymike

Guest
I like the use of Air Elemental. He is a nice, balanced beatstick that doesn't see enough play. Please don't consider Troublesome Spirit for this deck, he renders your counters useless.

Also, I'm not sure about the 4 Thwarts. Granted you do have 14 islands but I still don't know if that is quite enough to run 4 maindeck. If you snap 3 islands back to your hand, you won't always have 2 Blue mana on the next turn to counter another spell (but you usually should).

Don't forget, with Derelor in play your Undermines now cost UUBB. I would need a ruling on this, but Blind Seer could potentially work very nicely with Derelor. When a player taps out to cast a spell, turn it black, they can't pay the extra B and the spell fizzles. Again, I'm not positive it would work this way but if it does, it saves you counter spells and/or ties up their mana.

Barrin's Spite is a great card, but I agree that it might be a little too slow for the type of control you want. It would probably be a nice sideboard card for the big beast decks you know are going to be more common.

Also, I would consider Drake-Skull Cameo or Sky Diamonds b/c as you said, Armageddons are going to be popping all over the place.

When is Wizards going to reprint some good 3CC Counters?
 
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Spiderman

Administrator
Staff member
Not knowing what Blind Seer does, but I'm pretty sure Derelor only affects your black spells, not everyone's.
 
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Duel

Guest
Yes, it does. Trust me on this.

I like b/u but aggro b/u needs a smaller cc creature base, and more. I used extravagants, drakes (Not sure about these), and bouncers.

Counterlor

2 Disrupt
4 prohibit
3 Undermine
3 Foil

4 Terror
4 Recoil
4 Vendetta

3 Derelor
3 Tidal Vision
3 Waterfront bouncers
3 Extravagant spirit
(8)

4 Fact Or Fiction
(4)

2 Dust Bowl (if Kor Haven is played, maybe Terrain Generator or spells)
2 Salt Marsh
4 Underground River
5 Swamp
7 Island

Well?
 
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Namielus

Guest
forget the bowls, play tsabo's web. That stops port, kor haven, and edge.
 
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Mikeymike

Guest
Duh....you're right spiderman. Next time I'll pay attention I promise. Oh well, it would have been a fun idea.
 
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