French Vanilla Format Deck

Discussion in 'Casual Decks/Variants/Etc' started by Killer Joe, Dec 21, 2009.

  1. Killer Joe Active Member

    At G.A.S.P. we have a Theme Game following our regular MML game and mine and Mooseman's friend Nick runs the game. One of the themes this years is going to be "French Vanilla".

    See, I wanted to have a creature feature theme game using only creatures with NO ABILITIES like Grizzly Bears and Merfolk of the Pearl Trident and Scaythe Zombies and the likes.

    But Nooooooo, Nick thinks that there might be too many stale mates,....hmmmm, maybe. So he met me half way and said what about using creatures with only 1 aword abilities like "Flying", "Trample", "Fear", "Intimidate" and such. I think there are exceptions like Protection from: X and First Strike but I'll have to check.

    So, where do I start? How do I look up cards with one word abilities (and no thanks to BANDING, Mooseman and everyone else who remember the days before we had light bulbs).

    How about Slivers!!!!!!! he-he
    Talon (first strike)
    Muscle (+1/+1) not sure if this one would be allowed in the theme
    Winged (flying)
    Crystalline (Shroud)

    any suggestions?
  2. rokapoke Man Among Gods

    Definitely go for banding. If you can walk and chew gum, you can figure out banding. And it's actually really strong.
  3. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    Where are you looking up the cards? On Gatherer or Apprentice? Either should have an box where you can search for text on the card...

    I hope KJ qualifies... :D
  4. Oversoul The Tentacled One

    Does this mean no non-creature cards? You mention Crystalline Sliver, which I fully believe has been the strongest sliver in the game since it was printed, but this would be one case where it wouldn't work.

    But if I'm reading this correctly, wouldn't almost all slivers be banned anyway? I mean "all sliver creatures have X" is not one word.
  5. Mooseman Isengar Tussle

    Maybe, no activated or triggered abilities and creatures static abilities only affect themselves. So Muscle Sliver would be fine, but it would only affect itself and no other creatures.
    How about only creatures, basic lands and instants......
  6. train The Wildcard!!!...

    to get around the stalemates:

    Shadow...
    Trample...

    I still use Crystalkeep... It's good to see the rulings with the cards in my mind...
  7. Killer Joe Active Member

    For Vanilla creature feature I can see the stalemate problem.

    For the French vanilla Creature Feature there wouldn't be stalemates.

    In creature features, as far as I know, no other card types except for land are allowed, right?

    I like Moosie's idea about creatures, basic lands and instants. but for me I'd like it to be creatures with no abilities, basic lands and simple instants like Fog, Giant Growth, Lightning Bolt, Disenchant (for artifact creatures), Counterspell (mana leak would be considered complicated compared to counterspell), Dark Ritual, Terror, Boomerang....
    No cntrip cards either since they have additional wording. This is all in my opinion because non-complicated cards for some folks are EVERY magic card.
    :rolleyes:
  8. Mooseman Isengar Tussle

    If you allow keyword abilities.... just list them.... Shadow, Haste, death touch, etc.... and only for the creature with the keyword... no sliver crap....
    Now the instant thing you mentioned.... no cantrips.... that is a lot harder. what would be a bad instant?
  9. Oversoul The Tentacled One

    I don't think I follow... :confused:
  10. Mooseman Isengar Tussle

    How about what is a complicated instant?
  11. Killer Joe Active Member

    Instant spells that are simplistic in both wording and mechanical:
    Counterspell/Cancel
    Red instants that have: "~This~ deals x damage to target creature or player"
    Disenchant/Naturalize
    Doom Blade
    Giant Growth
    Fog/Holy Day
    Jump
    Boomerang
    Dark Ritual

    Those kind of easy spells.
  12. Mooseman Isengar Tussle

    Yeah, but what is a complicated one? Cantrips?
  13. Killer Joe Active Member

    Ok, I can't exactly 'define' a complicated instant so my guess is that NONE exist, right?

    So Reweave which reads; "Target permanant's controller sacrifices it. That player reveals cards from the top of his or her library until he or she reveals a card that shares a card type with the sacrificed permanant, that player puts that card into play, then shuffles his or her library."
    Splice onto Arcane 2UU


    and Counterspell
    "Counter target spell."

    ...are just about the same in complexity, right?

    I suppose if there a complexity rating scale that that would be helpful in me trying to describe an easy and short texted spell.

    Jeezsh, smart people, whaddya gonna wit dem!?
    :rolleyes::p
  14. Ransac CPA Trash Man

    How about Complex = More than 1 sentence of text (unless a sentence includes an additional cost) OR more than 1 action per card

    Multiple actions would include "then" (to show an order of actions) and other similar words. "Then" Complex: i.e.: Merfolk Looter: Draw a card, then discard a card.

    Looter is a bad example since it's not a vanilla creature, but still.


    Ransac, cpa trash man
  15. Oversoul The Tentacled One

    I think any attempt to develop a "complexity" standard for cards is doomed to failure.
  16. Mooseman Isengar Tussle

    I agree....

    Maybe limit the number of instants to 10 and no two the same.
  17. Killer Joe Active Member

    Oh, I wouldn't agree with 'doomed to failure' but I would agree that an agreement on what is 'complex' to one person is easy-peesy to another.

    Maybe rarity is the way to go. Use 10 common instants.

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