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Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Darkstar, May 17, 2002.

  1. Darkstar An Entire Marching Band

    Democracy, is it really that well balanced?

    My personal thought, is that if America would induce communisim, and forced everyone to work, then our country would endure complete utopia...

    I dunno, i just felt like starting something I guess.
  2. Thallid Ice Cream Man 21sT CeNTuRy sChIZoId MaN

  3. terzarima New Member

    *Points towards the newly opened political discussion place....thingy*
  4. TomB Administrative Assistant

    Natural talent, I guess...:cool:

    Communism doesn't work Darkstar. There's no incentive to excel, so people don't even try, and you get lines to stand in for toilet paper and other such essentials as a result.

    Nice try though...;)
  5. Thallid Ice Cream Man 21sT CeNTuRy sChIZoId MaN

    Mainly, it doesn't work because the US isn't communist.
    If the US were communist, at the very least there would be different reasons why it mightn't work
  6. Mongoose Man Gnome of Doom

    This is simply impossible to accomplish, like TICM said before, It wouldn't work because the U.S. is not communist. If the government were to convert to communism than people raised to believe in democracy and freedom would ultimatly feel oppressed when the government tells them what they want to do. I do believe however, that in a country where people are not used to being "free" where the government already tells them what to do then communism could work succesfully. Also America isn't a democracy as Darkstatr put it, it is a republic. The difference is that instead of everyone voting on every decision that comes before the government we instead elect officals to make the decisions for us, and Darkstar is correct I believe, that this system is unbalanced and things would work better if changed but I do not think that communism is the solution to this.
  7. Ura Feline Lord of the Pit

    Well, to your original question about democracy being well balanced, then you're right in wondering if it is because it is not. The biggest failings in democracy are that 1, it inspires a huge level of competition between people while not also inspiring people to help those who aren't as successful. Thus creating a two-tier system with the rich on one end and the poor on the other. This in turn creates strife between the them due to jealeosy and is what causes crime and disruptions to the flow of the system. The second major failing in democracy is that it quite bluntly requires major decisions to be made by stupid people. By stupid people I refer to those who are either just not very intelligent (should be picking fleas off each others backs and learning the art of banana peeling), are just badly informed of the issues at hand (never watches the news or reads a paper and simply votes one way or the other due to party affiliation), or finally are just bull headed ignorant of the facts (the KKK for example).
    Despite these problems democracy still remains a better system in action then communism, despite the opposite being true on paper.
    The biggest problems with communism, especially in being applied to America is that for starters, Americans have their entire life been taught to hate and to actively wipe out communism because its the scary red political demon from the east bloc, blah blah blah. America is the only country in the world that in its own constitution allows for its own destruction by the people should they become highly displeased with its workings. So most citizens would never allow it and you would have open rebellion leading the US government to the traditional communist answer of military oppression. If you think the US has it bad with middle eastern terrorism then you haven't seen anything yet.
    The next major failing of communism is that its blatently corrupt. Until people learn to give up their inherant greed and work for each other, communism is destined to fail at each application as it already has.
    After this its other big problem is that it doesn't inspire or reward people for development and scientific advancement, unless its something the government specifically wants. This means social programs, medical research, public works, and other things get left to be in archaic condition. If two guys work the same job and one works his ass off while the other sleeps and gets drunk on the job and they both get the same pay no matter what then it leaves little inspiration for the guy who does his best.

    With all these various problems it leaves democracy as the better system at the moment. While I have considered the idea of cross breeding the two of them before I think you'd end up with something similar to what Canada has right now in it federal government. A situation where no one likes them except a few areas that are basically bribed with party funds to maintain control and a leader and party thats being brought up on a new corruption charge every other day. Not very perky to say the least.
  8. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    I think this is most true.

    Well, I wouldn't consider Russia pre-communist as "free", it was a monarchy. Nor China (being pre-communist free).
  9. Chaos Turtle Demiurgic CPA Member, Admin Assistant

    You guys are comparing apples and oranges. What you are really weighing are capitalism versus communism. Neither is ideal. Socialism is probably better than both.
  10. Mongoose Man Gnome of Doom

    Yeah, Chaos Turtle makes a good point, I gotta agree that Socialism is a much better choice than either capitalism or communism
  11. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    Refresh my memory what socialism is again, please? :confused:
  12. FoundationOfRancor The Gunslinger

    Well, I'm no goverment expert....but the US is obviously not pure laizze fair (Or however you spell it) We more lean toward a utopian socialism in methods, with democracy to decide who rules....

    *shrugs* Why was the Civil war called the civil war? It obviously wasnt Civil. Discuss.
  13. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    Probably because "civil" can also mean:

    or

    from dictionary.com
  14. laxweasel New Member

    From Dictionary.com, a definition of socialism:

    1.)Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
    2.)The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

    Socialism would be a better choice for government.
    However, there is one overpowering flaw to all government: The human hunger for power which can never be satisfied. Whenever there is government, someone will take the power by corruption. I am not saying Anarchy is the answer either, as then it is just a free for all struggle for power.
  15. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    Although I think Chaos Turtle and your definition says that Socialism is an economic system, not a governmental/political system.

    Okay, so now that we have the definition and I understand it, why do you think socialism is better than capitalism or communism, Chaos Turtle? And is this in relation to a "single" world economy or is it trying to mesh with other countries' different economic systems?
  16. Thallid Ice Cream Man 21sT CeNTuRy sChIZoId MaN

    What I actually meant by this was that in other countries Communism so far hasn't worked because of there being a big rich powerful country that was capitalist - the US. If the US became communist it would be much easier for other countries to become communist and sustain communism.
  17. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    I don't know... I think communism hasn't worked because it was never fully realized in those countries due to internal affairs, not because of outside influences (they may have had some part to play, but I don't think a major one).

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