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arhar
Guest
Well, it's happened. Opinions?
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EricBess
Guest
What's to have an oppinion about? He admitted that his cards were "probably" marked, but claimed that it didn't help him in the final match as his defence.
Either a) he was cheating, or b) he was just unlucky in that it looked like he was cheating. Either way, the best way to keep people from cheating is to make sure that they know there will be consequences. Under normal play conditions, that shouldn't be a problem. At that level, people should take precautions to make sure that there is no appearance of cheating.
Note that I have no official stance as to whether or not I think he was actually cheating. Not my position to speculate or even to care, really.
Either a) he was cheating, or b) he was just unlucky in that it looked like he was cheating. Either way, the best way to keep people from cheating is to make sure that they know there will be consequences. Under normal play conditions, that shouldn't be a problem. At that level, people should take precautions to make sure that there is no appearance of cheating.
Note that I have no official stance as to whether or not I think he was actually cheating. Not my position to speculate or even to care, really.
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Zadok001
Guest
The "article" is, and I quote the entire thing:
"Suspended DCI Members as of 4th September 2001
NEW
David Williams
DCI#: 708710
Dallas, TX
Suspension: 9/3/01 to 9/3/02
Infraction: Cheating - Manipulating which cards are drawn from your deck"
My opinion? Whatever. /me is uncaring on this one. Could go either way.
"Suspended DCI Members as of 4th September 2001
NEW
David Williams
DCI#: 708710
Dallas, TX
Suspension: 9/3/01 to 9/3/02
Infraction: Cheating - Manipulating which cards are drawn from your deck"
My opinion? Whatever. /me is uncaring on this one. Could go either way.
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Lotus Mox
Guest
Here's a rant about the Williams DQ.
I don't know him, so I'm not really qualified to say anything about it.
Ed Fear got 1 year for accidently(?) picking up his s/b cards, so it's fair to assume that bent AKs can get you 1 year too, but maybe the DQ was also caused by the color of his skin, but I don't know anything, and it also doesn't bother me at all, so I'll just shut up now.
I don't know him, so I'm not really qualified to say anything about it.
Ed Fear got 1 year for accidently(?) picking up his s/b cards, so it's fair to assume that bent AKs can get you 1 year too, but maybe the DQ was also caused by the color of his skin, but I don't know anything, and it also doesn't bother me at all, so I'll just shut up now.
Well, I don't know. Rant aside (I never thought Mark Justice was "shady" until that draft incident; before then, he seemed like a "good" player), since it appears he admits they were "marked", he has to suffer the penalty, whether it was intentional or not. This is just common sense.
Of course, this is because he admits it. Although it's hard to refute this kind of evidence, if the DCI depended on people admitting their wrongs, there'd probably be a lot more investigations.
This just goes to show you (or me, really) that when you're competing at the top levels, to say the least, you have to be sure that you aren't breaking or bending any rules. No ifs, ands, or buts. Period. There's just no excuse.
Of course, this is because he admits it. Although it's hard to refute this kind of evidence, if the DCI depended on people admitting their wrongs, there'd probably be a lot more investigations.
This just goes to show you (or me, really) that when you're competing at the top levels, to say the least, you have to be sure that you aren't breaking or bending any rules. No ifs, ands, or buts. Period. There's just no excuse.
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EricBess
Guest
Spidey, the way I read the article, they cut to AK consistently several times. It's pretty hard not to admit a card is marked if you can do that. I don't think his admission is really that important to why he was DQ'ed. After all, he never admitted to having marked them himself.
As far as the "rant" goes, it doesn't seem to be so much a rant about Williams as it is a rant that lower level events aren't taken as seriously when it comes to cheating.
Part of the reason for that is because it comes down to the judge's word against the player's word. At the big events, the people responsible for handing out suspensions are present. I'm not talking that one person who makes the final decision, but there is a committee made of of several judges that discuss the issue and most of those are present.
I agree with the rant that being a judge should be enough when you catch someone cheating or colluding. However, there is a part of me that knows that not all judges are on the level and blaketly giving that sort of authority can be scary.
As far as the "rant" goes, it doesn't seem to be so much a rant about Williams as it is a rant that lower level events aren't taken as seriously when it comes to cheating.
Part of the reason for that is because it comes down to the judge's word against the player's word. At the big events, the people responsible for handing out suspensions are present. I'm not talking that one person who makes the final decision, but there is a committee made of of several judges that discuss the issue and most of those are present.
I agree with the rant that being a judge should be enough when you catch someone cheating or colluding. However, there is a part of me that knows that not all judges are on the level and blaketly giving that sort of authority can be scary.
That's true, that's why I said it was hard to refute the evidence in this case. I just didn't want people to think that because I said he admitted guilt and got punished, that people should take that to mean they should stop admitting guilt in hopes of drawing out the investigation and maybe getting off.
Is there a process of stripping judging levels or demoting?
Is there a process of stripping judging levels or demoting?