Build-A-Deck v2: Rokapoke vs. Spiderman

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rokapoke

Guest
From Magicthegathering.com:

"The big change is that layer #6 has been remodeled. We now have sublayers in layer #6…
(6a) Effects from characteristic-setting abilities—just like other layers
(6b) All other effects not specifically applied in 6c, 6d, or 6e—your generic “other” P/T effects
(6c) Changes from counters—Dragon Blood, modular creatures
(6d) Effects from static abilities that modify P/T but don't set P/T to a specific amount—Blanchwood Armor and Night of Soul's Betrayal
(6e) Effects that switch a creature's power and toughness—Aquamoeba, Dwarven Thaumaturgist

Compared to before, only #6a remains unmoved. Counters used to be processed before normal continuous effects, so they'd disappear under a Sorceress Queen's stare. Now, a Sorceress Queen would turn your 1/1 Arcbound Worker into a (0/0 base > 0/2 other > +1/+1 counter) 1/3 Arcbound Worker. Once you get through the first four sublayers, then you switch the P/T if applicable rather than switching somewhere in the middle.

Let's mix Maro (three cards in hand), Sorceress Queen, Dragon Blood, Unholy Strength, and Mannichi, the Fevered Dream all together.
Base = */*. Then characteristic-setting ability = 3/3. Then Sorceress Queen's “other” P/T = 0/2. Then Dragon Blood counter = 1/3. Then Unholy Strength modification = 3/4. Then Mannichi switch = 4/3.
If we take out the Queen's effect, Maro's sublayering would look like this: */*, 3/3, 4/4, 6/5, and finally 5/6."

This tells me that I would have a 5/2 Kraj when you set its toughness to 1. My response will be to Tim you for 1.
 
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rokapoke

Guest
In response, I'll use my Power Conduit to move a counter from the Birds to the Kraj.
 
S

Spiderman

Administrator
Staff member
No response. Things can resolve or you can do more stuff - I'm tapped out and not doing anything else.
 
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rokapoke

Guest
In that case, I'll pay 4 and remove 2 counters from the Tiller to turn your Bayou and Overgrown Tomb into creatures. Muhahahaha. Then the Deed can go off.
 
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rokapoke

Guest
Sure, just because it's my turn I have to update the board. I see how it is.

I think the board is now correct.

Anyway, I'm done then.



Rokapoke: 20
Hand: 6
Library: 42
In Play:

(TT) Forest x2
(T) Island
(U) Tropical Island
(T) Simic Growth Chamber (~ comes into play tapped. When ~ comes into play, return a land you control to its owner's hand. T: Add GU to your mana pool.)

(U) Spike Tiller (2/2; ~ comes into play with three +1/+1 counters on it. 2, remove a +1/+1 counter from ~: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. 2, remove a +1/+1 counter from ~: Target land becomes a 2/2 creature that's still a land. Put a +1/+1 counter on it.) ** 2 +1/+1 ctrs **
(U) Experimental Kraj (6/8; ~ has all activated abilities of each creature with a +1/+1 counter on it. T: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.) ** 2 +1/+1 ctrs **


Graveyard: Llanowar Reborn, Gush, Naturalize, Birds of Paradise, Prodigal Sorceror, Power Conduit, Mystic Snake, Plaxcaster Frogling
RFG:
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Spiderman: 10
Hand: 4
Library: 42
In Play:

(T) Tainted Wood (T: Add 1 to my mana pool. T: Add B or G to my mana pool. Play this ability only if I control a Swamp)
(T,T) Swamp x2
(T,T) Forest x2

(U) Phyrexian Plaguelord (4/4, T, Sac ~: Target creature gets -4/-4 ueot. Sac a creature: Target creature gets -1/-1 ueot)
(U) Lim-Dul the Necromancer (4/4, Whenever a creature rokapoke controls is put into a graveyard from play, I may pay 1B. If I do, return that card to play under my control. If it's a creature, it's a Zombie in addition to its other creature types. 1B: Regen target Zombie)

Graveyard: Strip Mine, Demonic Tutor, Seedborn Muse, Tracker, Pernicious Deed, Vhati il-Dal, Bayou, Overgrown Tomb
RFG:
 
S

Spiderman

Administrator
Staff member
Untap, upkeep, Draw

Chainer's Edict
Responses?

Rokapoke: 20
Hand: 6
Library: 42
In Play:

(TT) Forest x2
(T) Island
(U) Tropical Island
(T) Simic Growth Chamber (~ comes into play tapped. When ~ comes into play, return a land you control to its owner's hand. T: Add GU to your mana pool.)

(U) Spike Tiller (2/2; ~ comes into play with three +1/+1 counters on it. 2, remove a +1/+1 counter from ~: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. 2, remove a +1/+1 counter from ~: Target land becomes a 2/2 creature that's still a land. Put a +1/+1 counter on it.) ** 2 +1/+1 ctrs **
(U) Experimental Kraj (6/8; ~ has all activated abilities of each creature with a +1/+1 counter on it. T: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.) ** 2 +1/+1 ctrs **


Graveyard: Llanowar Reborn, Gush, Naturalize, Birds of Paradise, Prodigal Sorceror, Power Conduit, Mystic Snake, Plaxcaster Frogling
RFG:
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Spiderman: 10
Hand: 4
Library: 41
In Play:

(U) Tainted Wood (T: Add 1 to my mana pool. T: Add B or G to my mana pool. Play this ability only if I control a Swamp)
(T,U) Swamp x2
(T,U) Forest x2

(U) Phyrexian Plaguelord (4/4, T, Sac ~: Target creature gets -4/-4 ueot. Sac a creature: Target creature gets -1/-1 ueot)
(U) Lim-Dul the Necromancer (4/4, Whenever a creature rokapoke controls is put into a graveyard from play, I may pay 1B. If I do, return that card to play under my control. If it's a creature, it's a Zombie in addition to its other creature types. 1B: Regen target Zombie)

Graveyard: Strip Mine, Demonic Tutor, Seedborn Muse, Tracker, Pernicious Deed, Vhati il-Dal, Bayou, Overgrown Tomb, Chainer's Edict
RFG:
 
R

rokapoke

Guest
In response, I'll tap the Kraj to add a counter to the Tiller. Sacrifice the Kraj.
 
S

Spiderman

Administrator
Staff member
I'll pay BG to use Lim-Dul's ability to take control of the Kraj when it goes to the graveyard.

Attack with the Plaguelord and Lim-Dul
Responses/blocks?

Rokapoke: 20
Hand: 6
Library: 42
In Play:

(TT) Forest x2
(T) Island
(U) Tropical Island
(T) Simic Growth Chamber (~ comes into play tapped. When ~ comes into play, return a land you control to its owner's hand. T: Add GU to your mana pool.)

(U) Spike Tiller (3/3; ~ comes into play with three +1/+1 counters on it. 2, remove a +1/+1 counter from ~: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. 2, remove a +1/+1 counter from ~: Target land becomes a 2/2 creature that's still a land. Put a +1/+1 counter on it.) ** 3 +1/+1 ctrs **

Graveyard: Llanowar Reborn, Gush, Naturalize, Birds of Paradise, Prodigal Sorceror, Power Conduit, Mystic Snake, Plaxcaster Frogling
RFG:
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Spiderman: 10
Hand: 4
Library: 41
In Play:

(U) Tainted Wood (T: Add 1 to my mana pool. T: Add B or G to my mana pool. Play this ability only if I control a Swamp)
(T,T) Swamp x2
(T,T) Forest x2

(T) Phyrexian Plaguelord (4/4, T, Sac ~: Target creature gets -4/-4 ueot. Sac a creature: Target creature gets -1/-1 ueot)
(T) Lim-Dul the Necromancer (4/4, Whenever a creature rokapoke controls is put into a graveyard from play, I may pay 1B. If I do, return that card to play under my control. If it's a creature, it's a Zombie in addition to its other creature types. 1B: Regen target Zombie)
(S) Experimental Kraj (4/6; ~ has all activated abilities of each creature with a +1/+1 counter on it. T: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.)

Graveyard: Strip Mine, Demonic Tutor, Seedborn Muse, Tracker, Pernicious Deed, Vhati il-Dal, Bayou, Overgrown Tomb, Chainer's Edict
RFG:
 
S

Spiderman

Administrator
Staff member
That's 8 and I'm done.

Rokapoke: 12
Hand: 6
Library: 42
In Play:

(TT) Forest x2
(T) Island
(U) Tropical Island
(T) Simic Growth Chamber (~ comes into play tapped. When ~ comes into play, return a land you control to its owner's hand. T: Add GU to your mana pool.)

(U) Spike Tiller (3/3; ~ comes into play with three +1/+1 counters on it. 2, remove a +1/+1 counter from ~: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. 2, remove a +1/+1 counter from ~: Target land becomes a 2/2 creature that's still a land. Put a +1/+1 counter on it.) ** 3 +1/+1 ctrs **

Graveyard: Llanowar Reborn, Gush, Naturalize, Birds of Paradise, Prodigal Sorceror, Power Conduit, Mystic Snake, Plaxcaster Frogling
RFG:
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Spiderman: 10
Hand: 4
Library: 41
In Play:

(U) Tainted Wood (T: Add 1 to my mana pool. T: Add B or G to my mana pool. Play this ability only if I control a Swamp)
(T,T) Swamp x2
(T,T) Forest x2

(T) Phyrexian Plaguelord (4/4, T, Sac ~: Target creature gets -4/-4 ueot. Sac a creature: Target creature gets -1/-1 ueot)
(T) Lim-Dul the Necromancer (4/4, Whenever a creature rokapoke controls is put into a graveyard from play, I may pay 1B. If I do, return that card to play under my control. If it's a creature, it's a Zombie in addition to its other creature types. 1B: Regen target Zombie)
(S) Experimental Kraj (4/6; ~ has all activated abilities of each creature with a +1/+1 counter on it. T: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.)

Graveyard: Strip Mine, Demonic Tutor, Seedborn Muse, Tracker, Pernicious Deed, Vhati il-Dal, Bayou, Overgrown Tomb, Chainer's Edict
RFG:
 
R

rokapoke

Guest
Untap, upkeep, draw, Island.
Experimental Kraj.
Done.

Rokapoke: 12
Hand: 5
Library: 41
In Play:

(TT) Forest x2
(TT) Island x2
(U) Tropical Island
(T) Simic Growth Chamber (~ comes into play tapped. When ~ comes into play, return a land you control to its owner's hand. T: Add GU to your mana pool.)

(U) Spike Tiller (3/3; ~ comes into play with three +1/+1 counters on it. 2, remove a +1/+1 counter from ~: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. 2, remove a +1/+1 counter from ~: Target land becomes a 2/2 creature that's still a land. Put a +1/+1 counter on it.) ** 3 +1/+1 ctrs **

Graveyard: Llanowar Reborn, Gush, Naturalize, Birds of Paradise, Prodigal Sorceror, Power Conduit, Mystic Snake, Plaxcaster Frogling, Experimental Kraj, Experimental Kraj
RFG:
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Spiderman: 10
Hand: 4
Library: 41
In Play:

(U) Tainted Wood (T: Add 1 to my mana pool. T: Add B or G to my mana pool. Play this ability only if I control a Swamp)
(T,T) Swamp x2
(T,T) Forest x2

(T) Phyrexian Plaguelord (4/4, T, Sac ~: Target creature gets -4/-4 ueot. Sac a creature: Target creature gets -1/-1 ueot)
(T) Lim-Dul the Necromancer (4/4, Whenever a creature rokapoke controls is put into a graveyard from play, I may pay 1B. If I do, return that card to play under my control. If it's a creature, it's a Zombie in addition to its other creature types. 1B: Regen target Zombie)

Graveyard: Strip Mine, Demonic Tutor, Seedborn Muse, Tracker, Pernicious Deed, Vhati il-Dal, Bayou, Overgrown Tomb, Chainer's Edict
RFG:
 
S

Spiderman

Administrator
Staff member
Boo...

Untap, upkeep, Draw

Attack with both
Responses/blocks?

Rokapoke: 12
Hand: 5
Library: 41
In Play:

(TT) Forest x2
(TT) Island x2
(U) Tropical Island
(T) Simic Growth Chamber (~ comes into play tapped. When ~ comes into play, return a land you control to its owner's hand. T: Add GU to your mana pool.)

(U) Spike Tiller (3/3; ~ comes into play with three +1/+1 counters on it. 2, remove a +1/+1 counter from ~: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. 2, remove a +1/+1 counter from ~: Target land becomes a 2/2 creature that's still a land. Put a +1/+1 counter on it.) ** 3 +1/+1 ctrs **

Graveyard: Llanowar Reborn, Gush, Naturalize, Birds of Paradise, Prodigal Sorceror, Power Conduit, Mystic Snake, Plaxcaster Frogling, Experimental Kraj, Experimental Kraj
RFG:
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Spiderman: 10
Hand: 5
Library: 40
In Play:

(U) Tainted Wood (T: Add 1 to my mana pool. T: Add B or G to my mana pool. Play this ability only if I control a Swamp)
(U,U) Swamp x2
(U,U) Forest x2

(T) Phyrexian Plaguelord (4/4, T, Sac ~: Target creature gets -4/-4 ueot. Sac a creature: Target creature gets -1/-1 ueot)
(T) Lim-Dul the Necromancer (4/4, Whenever a creature rokapoke controls is put into a graveyard from play, I may pay 1B. If I do, return that card to play under my control. If it's a creature, it's a Zombie in addition to its other creature types. 1B: Regen target Zombie)

Graveyard: Strip Mine, Demonic Tutor, Seedborn Muse, Tracker, Pernicious Deed, Vhati il-Dal, Bayou, Overgrown Tomb, Chainer's Edict
RFG:
 
S

Spiderman

Administrator
Staff member
You take 8. You must have something up your sleeve to not block... :)

Sengir Vampire

Done

Rokapoke: 4
Hand: 5
Library: 41
In Play:

(TT) Forest x2
(TT) Island x2
(U) Tropical Island
(T) Simic Growth Chamber (~ comes into play tapped. When ~ comes into play, return a land you control to its owner's hand. T: Add GU to your mana pool.)

(U) Spike Tiller (3/3; ~ comes into play with three +1/+1 counters on it. 2, remove a +1/+1 counter from ~: Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature. 2, remove a +1/+1 counter from ~: Target land becomes a 2/2 creature that's still a land. Put a +1/+1 counter on it.) ** 3 +1/+1 ctrs **

Graveyard: Llanowar Reborn, Gush, Naturalize, Birds of Paradise, Prodigal Sorceror, Power Conduit, Mystic Snake, Plaxcaster Frogling, Experimental Kraj, Experimental Kraj
RFG:
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Spiderman: 10
Hand: 4
Library: 40
In Play:

(T) Tainted Wood (T: Add 1 to my mana pool. T: Add B or G to my mana pool. Play this ability only if I control a Swamp)
(T,T) Swamp x2
(T,T) Forest x2

(T) Phyrexian Plaguelord (4/4, T, Sac ~: Target creature gets -4/-4 ueot. Sac a creature: Target creature gets -1/-1 ueot)
(T) Lim-Dul the Necromancer (4/4, Whenever a creature rokapoke controls is put into a graveyard from play, I may pay 1B. If I do, return that card to play under my control. If it's a creature, it's a Zombie in addition to its other creature types. 1B: Regen target Zombie)
(S) Sengir Vampire (4/4, flying, Whenever a creature dealt dmg by ~ this turn is put into a graveyard, put a +1/+1 ctr on ~)

Graveyard: Strip Mine, Demonic Tutor, Seedborn Muse, Tracker, Pernicious Deed, Vhati il-Dal, Bayou, Overgrown Tomb, Chainer's Edict
RFG:
 
R

rokapoke

Guest
Untap, upkeep, draw, scoop.

I didn't have anything up my sleeve, nor did I draw anything to put up my sleeve. Good game.



I'll play for game 2.

Mulligan down to 6.
Forest.
Done.


Rokapoke: 20
Hand: 5
Library: 54
In Play:

(U) Forest

Graveyard:
RFG:
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Spiderman: 20
Hand: 7
Library: 53?
In Play:

Graveyard:
RFG:
 
S

Spiderman

Administrator
Staff member
Good game. I was glad to stabilize the game, although those ctrs are almost the perfect foil for my deck.

Draw 7, no mulligan

Draw
Overgrown Tomb CIP tapped

Done

Rokapoke: 20
Hand: 5
Library: 54
In Play:

(U) Forest

Graveyard:
RFG:
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Spiderman: 20
Hand: 7
Library: 52
In Play:

(T) Overgrown Tomb (B/G Ravnica dual)

Graveyard:
RFG:
 
R

rokapoke

Guest
Untap, upkeep, draw.
Island.
Done.

Rokapoke: 20
Hand: 5
Library: 53
In Play:

(U) Forest
(U) Island

Graveyard:
RFG:
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Spiderman: 20
Hand: 7
Library: 52
In Play:

(T) Overgrown Tomb (B/G Ravnica dual)

Graveyard:
RFG:
 
S

Spiderman

Administrator
Staff member
Untap, upkeep, Draw

Swamp
Vine Trellis

Done

Rokapoke: 20
Hand: 5
Library: 53
In Play:

(U) Forest
(U) Island

Graveyard:
RFG:
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Spiderman: 20
Hand: 6
Library: 51
In Play:

(T) Overgrown Tomb (B/G Ravnica dual)
(T) Swamp

(S) Vine Trellis (0/4, Defender, T: Add G to my mana pool)

Graveyard:
RFG:
 
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