Black and Red HATE FOO

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Landkiller

Guest
This is a type two deck



Removal
4 x Void - Untargeted Elim
4 x Seal of Doom - Targeted Elim.
4 x Urza's Rage - Unpreventable Elim.
4 x Tsabo's Decree - Untargeted Elim.

Creatures
4 x Chilling Apparition
4 x Trench Wurm
3 x Blazing Specter

Associated Spells
4 x Dark Ritual
4 x Crash
3 x Boil -- I hate BLUE maindeck!!

Land
4 x Urborg Volcano
9 x Swamp
9 x Mountain

Sideboard
1 x Boil -- I still have hate for BLUE!!
3 x Flashfires -- I hate WHITE(not as much as blue or green)!!
4 x Perish -- I hate GREEN!!
4 x Flowstone Wall
3 x Avatar of Woe
 
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Duel

Guest
Okay, this deck has 1 problem in life: Land destruction. You need bloostone cameo or at least a couple diamonds. Also, 4 tsabo's decree is a little too much, no? Not THAT much rebel out there...
 
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Istanbul

Guest
Take out one Void and two Tsabo's Decree for three Bloodstone Cameos, then take out two Urborg Volcanoes and one Mountain for three Breath of Darigaaz.
 
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Duel

Guest
.... isn't earthquake about 12 times as good as breath of darigaaz? In fact, only when you want to deal exactly 4 damage is breath better.
 
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Landkiller

Guest
ok, I see... How about this? I don't know if taking out land to put in extra cameos is worth it, since you make it harder to guarantee that you won't be mana-screwed.

Should I put in Forced March?

Removal
4 x Void - Untargeted Elim
3 x Earthquake - Untargeted Elim.
3 x Seal of Doom - Targeted Elim.
3 x Urza's Rage - Unpreventable Elim.
2 x Tsabo's Decree - Untargeted Elim.

Creatures
4 x Chilling Apparition
4 x Trench Wurm
3 x Blazing Specter

Associated Spells
4 x Dark Ritual
3 x Crash
3 x Boil

Artifacts
2 x Bloodstone Cameo

Land
4 x Urborg Volcano
9 x Swamp
9 x Mountain

Sideboard
1 x Boil
3 x Flashfires
4 x Perish
4 x Flowstone Wall
3 x Avatar of Woe
 
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Neil Rigby

Guest
3 x Boil in the main deck (is this correct) Your local environment must be so counter orientated for you to want to play main deck boils.
I think that void is way to expensive for what it does, maybe play 2 but 4 no way.Also there has to be a better card than Tsabo's Decree (maybe Massacre), it cost's 6 and is a sorcery. One of the reasons you probably hate blue is because all your spell are so expensive, so by the time you are casting them the blue player has total control. The cameos are a good idea because of the expense of your spells but I think you also need to just add some more land (play about 25/26).

Just my thoughts, and i'm more a player than a builder, but hey I can have an opinion too! (bad post writer too)
 
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Landkiller

Guest
Rule #1, and the only rule
This deck wants all good decks to suck.
Reason #1 for Rule #1
All non-good decks are played by non-good players. Including this one. Therefore I, being a mortal, have a chance against such players. Good Decks and therefore Good Players must be destroyed with no mercy. Sacrifice Flexibility to destroy popularity.
Reason #2 for Rule#1
This deck is called Type II Hate Foo. I cannot explain the name to anyone's satisfaction.
Corollory #1
Therefore, it will hate blue mostly in the main deck because blue decks own every deck in the long game. Although Boil may be a dead card, about half of all good decks are blue. Even if I only play one blue player, that player is most likely going to make me suck. I will decline starting the "Why I always Hate Blue" rant at present time.
Corollory #2
It hates good cards. Blastoderm must be defeated by fifteen cards or more in the deck.
Corollory #3
Since all type II decks except Ankh-Tide and Cowardice win with creatures, as far as I know, and I could enjoy being killed by those decks since I've never seen them in real life, all good decks use creatures. Said creatures must die.

Actually, Void is massively awesome. This card is the god card. There probably is better the Tsabo's Decree, but it 'will' get a creature, and maybe more. The Guarantee is that important. No defenses. Comboes with viewing their hand, land destruction, and other discard. Decree is an instant, though.
Neil Rigby - "One of the reasons you probably hate blue is because all your spell are so expensive, so by the time you are casting them the blue player has total control."
True dat.
Neil Rigby - "The cameos are a good idea because of the expense of your spells but I think you also need to just add some more land (play about 25/26)."
Preach on brother!

I wish I could fit in Pyre Zombie. Maybe 2 of them.

Should I give up the potential
"Swamp, Mountain, Ritual, Specter draw", by taking specter out? I'll do that. This isn't really even a wannabe fast deck.

Massacre does kill my Chilling App. So?
If this deck was going to be good hate, it would add Addle. So thats something I did.

Removal - 14
3 x Void - Untargeted Elim
3 x Earthquake - Untargeted Elim.
3 x Massacre - Untargeted Elim.
3 x Urza's Rage - Unpreventable Elim.
2 x Tsabo's Decree - Untargeted Elim.

Creatures - 8
3 x Chilling Apparition
3 x Trench Wurm
2 x Pyre Zombie -- counts as removal

Associated Spells - 10
4 x Dark Ritual
2 x Boil
4 x Addle -- counts as blue hate

Artifacts - 4
4 x Bloodstone Cameo

Land - 24
4 x Urborg Volcano
10 x Swamp
10 x Mountain

Sideboard - 15
1 x Tsabo's Decree
1 x Boil
2 x Flashfires
4 x Perish
2 x Flowstone Wall
1 x Chilling Apparition
2 x Avatar of Woe
2 x Shatterstorm variant from Masques where it's free for sacing two mountains.


Success on count 1
This deck makes blue suck I think. I don't know if it will work in reality, since all blue scum have 12 counterspell minimum in thier decks. If not then I need more Blue Hate. As an aside, monoblue's best target for Bribery is Trench Wurm:)

Success on count 2
Cards that make Blastoderm a female dog.
Flowstone Wall x 2
Perish x 4
Chilling Apparition x 3(4)
Void x 3
Tsabo's Decree x 2(3)
= 8 maindeck, 16 after boarding.

Cards that make Fact or Fiction suck
Addle x 4
Chilling Apparition x 3(4)
Void x 3
Boil x 2(3)
= 12 maindeck, 14 after boarding.
But Fact or Fiction doesn't deal 15 damage. So I don't care. I can play the mind games with their fact or fiction since I have Discard.

Success on count 3
Combo decks make this deck suck! Yeehaw! Side out everything but Boil. At least Tsabo's Decree gets Cowardice by killing something. And all creatures are vulnerable to me!

Is it just me or does the deck now have an unholy amount of mana. Does it want a Tectonic Break? Or Bend or Break??

I lowered the white hate and moved 1 Boil into the sideboard. Hopefully I will draw 1 Boil per game, and try to wreck a blue player's day.

General Theory aside --
If you want a card during early game and every game play 4
If you want a card during every game but not necessarily in opening hand play 3
If you want a card during long games play 2
If you have a tutor play 1
This is how I decide how many of something to play.

My next deck will be Cauldron Dance in Extended.
 
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Landkiller

Guest
Did they go and put painlands in 6th edition!!
YEAH, Score!!

Landkiller removes 4 Sulphourous Springs from his
LD deck and adds them HATE FOO replacing...

2 x Mountain
2 x Swamp

or...

4 x Urborg Volcano???
 
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