Anybody in the armed forces?

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Hey, anybody here in the armed forces? I'm looking to become a Marine (lots of P.T. in order to meet entry requirements, but I'm ready to do that) and I was wondering if anybody can tell a newbie what things are gonna be like, as far as entering into programs. (They told me I could enter an officer program since I've completed junior college already. Sounds like a great idea. Should I?) I also wondering what boot camp will pretty much be like. Stuff like that.

Anybody here able to share some wisdom? :D
 

Ferret

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Well, I've been in the Navy (1989-95) and I'm currently in the Army. It depends on what you're looking for. It's pretty easy to rise through the ranks in either, but I'm sure that you can get into OCS easier in the Army. Whatever you do, don't ask recruiters about anything - talk to people that have actually been in for a while

-Ferret

"How can you tell when a recruiter is lying? Their lips are moving!"
 

Killer Joe

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US Army (1987-1990)
Zero Two Juliet - Army Bandsman - Clarinet

I did it for the college money :)

It's a great experience, I highly recommend it for all young folks, in fact, I wish a three year stint was mandatory, IMO.

I knew folks in the Navy - pretty much easy. Same for the Air Force. The Army is not too bad, remember, it's just a very organized job.

A US Marine, now THAT's tough! Any Marine I've ever known have many shared outcomes:
Instead of walking around an object, Marines just walk right over it.

Instead of winning a game of any kind, a Marine has to not only eliminate their opponent, they must Obliterate it's entir exsistence.

Tough guys say, "My way or the highway.", Marines say, "My way or you die."

There's only two places Marines do basic training:
Camp Lajune (They call it "Hollywood")
or
Paris Island (Home of the sand fleas)

If I had to do it all over again?

US Army
Chaplin's Assistant
:)
 
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conservative_infidel

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Speaking to you as a veteran of foriegn war, and having seen and done much, I can honestly say that Air Force has the nicest facilities, Army enables the quickest rank advancement, the Navy is deployed a lot, and the Jarheads are the better disciplined, better trained, and the most to die branch (per capita).

However, don't serve your country for the benefits, the college money, the travel etc., etc., . . . I'm speaking to you as one who has shot at others as well as been shot at by others. My parting council is this:

If you must serve your country, serve for reasons greater than yourself.

This is what will get you through the cold, the wet, the firefights, the getting shot up or dragging a wounded buddy from a firefight.

Best of luck.

By the way, run the MOS by one us and maybe we could really tell you what your really signing up for.

I.E., Fire Support Specialist really means humping with the ground pounders with a 70 pound ruck calling for and directing indirect fire (like mortors and not running around on a Fire Truck). :) :)
 
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Chaos Turtle

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Rejected for military service myself due to full deafness in one ear (and something about voices ...) despite stunning ASVAB (not bitter, not bitter) but I have many friends and family either currently serving or retired from various branches.

What can I say? It's been good for some and not so good for others (actually the only one can think of who really seems to like it is my pal in the Air Force). I'd tend to agree with c_i on reasons for joining though, particularly nowadays. And Ferret is not kidding about recruiters.

Whatever you decide, best of luck to you.
 
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Homestar

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ive been in the forces

I was an Airforce Special Ops

.......................

Then i woke up.
 
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train

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maybe your plane would have crashed Homestar...:p

Not in the service, but thought about it, and the best time to do it would be before you get a family...
 

Ferret

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Originally posted by train
maybe your plane would have crashed Homestar...:p

Not in the service, but thought about it, and the best time to do it would be before you get a family...
Major agreement there! Being separated from the wife drives me crazy quite often. Because of our cel phones we can talk to each other for a few hours each day, but when I get deployed in Novemeber things are going to get real annoying - and I won't be back in the 'States until at least Jan '06! Because of my new Brick (aka Thinkpad) I'll be able to send/receive emails, but it won't be the same.

-Ferret

"Thank you Hurrican Frances for giving me an extra day w/ her!"
 
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Wow, awesome to see so many CPAers were part of the armed forces. :D

Ferret~ So recruiters say anything needed to make recruits happy, eh? Well, the ones I talked to said with junior college out of the way, entering some sort of training program to become an officer would be easy for me. I hope ya enjoy the few months ya got left with yer family. Sounds bad to have to be so far for so long. As crappy as e-communication is, at least it beats the old slow paper letter routine.

Killer Joe~ I wish I woulda been required to go earlier, too. At 25, I'm almost out of time, so I'm racing to get myself fit enough to pass the entry requirements. The ASVAB preview was incredibly easy, even though I hadn't had any sleep and took it on the spot without any mental preparation. Not the real thing, though, but the recruiters said the preview gives a lower score than the real thing. Had joining been a requirement, I think I'd've been a lit better person today (which is one reason I'm entering). Money is really a secondary purpose for me (or maybe even tertiary). That Marine-style rebuilding of oneself and crazy dedicated service to country is what I'm after, primarily. Where is Camp Lajune? The recruiter I talked to muttered something real quick about training in Maryland when I asked about my MOS of choice.

conservative_infidel~ The MOS I'm aiming for is Combat Correspondant. When I asked each of the recruiters about it, their reply was, "Have you seen Full Metal Jacket? Well, Joker was a Combat Correspondant." I swear, that's pretty much what each said, nearly down to the exact word. They said it'd be an easy MOS to enter, one mentioned something like only 100 Marine Combat Correspondants serving at the time, meaning a need for more. What? No Marine has time in their busy day to blow stuff up people and go back and write about it?

Chaos Turtle~ Yeah, having friends in the service can give ya an odd view of things. But then again, ya don't get to talk to them much. One friend who played cards in the local group went to the Air Force, something along the lines of those guys who sit in a computer room and direct bombs. I teased him a lot about playing "Nintendo warfare" by pressing buttons at a screen rather than go into combat with a gun. He seems to relly be enjoying it, though. My cousin turned his Marine training into coaching skills and really did well with coaching high school basketball teams in S. California. I'd be one more person you know who'd really enjoy it. :D

Homestar~ That happened to me, too! Except, I was a ninja. A Navy ninja. Who fought in space. Against mercenaries. Hamster mercenaries. Yeah...then I woke up, too. Knew it wasn't real from the get-go. ;) Wait, I made that whole thing up. Can I use your plane to help those poor Navy ninjas out?

train~ I agree with you entirely. For the separation reasons Ferret mentioned, best to be single while entering the military.

So the general theme is not to listen to recruiters too much. What specifically should I watch out for? I mean, I gotta keep contact with these guys to get into the service, and I really want to enter that Combat Correspondant MOS. How likely am I to get the MOS when they said it'd be easy? How much should I talk to them? One offered to periodically go on runs with me to make sure I'm getting fit enough to join. That sounded sincere, at least.

They even gave me the fitness training guidebook they give to new recruits (I am not a recruit yet--have to shed 55 pounds first) and told me to use that to get in shape. It basically goes through the fitness training of all the muscle groups needed for boot camp, and even ramps up the running, push-up and pull-up training to be ready for boot camp. It seems good. Glad they gave it to me. Anybody know about these things? Are they really as helpful as they look? Should I ignore its numbers and, say, go all its recommendations, but times two? Or times three? I have no idea how helpful this thing is, but it looks hella helpful.
 
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conservative_infidel

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Combat Correspondant sounds a lot like Army Public Affairs Specialist. You might think about checking out this Army MOS as well. Lots of writing, picture taking and rubbing shoulders with the natives as well as troops.

One thing I must caution you about though is this little-discussed provision called, The Needs of the Military--that is to say, if you fail to pass your MOS training--GUESS WHAT! You are reassigned into an MOS that best serves the "needs of the military."

I know that if your thinking about a career in Public Relations or Journalism or Communications, after your stint with the Army, the Public Affairs MOS is at least worth checking into either of the branches.

By the way, (all included) I've developed an Ultimate Patriotic Slideshow worth looking at. Just search, find, and download off the Limewire pier-to-pier sharing network. I'm logged in most of the time.

Good luck :cool:


PS If your ASVAB is that high, consider taking the DLAB and think about an intel MOS.
 
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Wow, thanks for the info on the NOM thing. Dang! :eek: Though, I have confidence I can pass a Combat Correspondant MOS training. I got a 91 on the ASVAB preview test (recruiter said I'd get higher on the real--but recruiters lie, eh?) and I was half-asleep and unprepared at the time.

That, and I've worked for a community newspaper before, so I got to do everything non-printing in the newspaper. Interviews, information gathering, report reading, editing, photography, photo editing, page layout design, paste up of the flats. Yeah, got to do everything there, so I pretty much know about newspapers already. Changing that knowledge over to military journalism won't be too difficult.

What is the DLAB? Never heard of this, ever. Second part--Why go for intel? What does that encompass, and what would be the benefit of joining that for a writer-type person?

Thanks for you help so far, CI! :D

And train, I ain't gonna get any Stacker 2. Cut off caffine entirely. Haven't even had one stupid Coca Cola in over a week, and I still have a 12-pack sitting in my room. Ah, funny to look at it and know that I won't drink it. :D Marine fitness training manual said not to use any drug effect (even caffine) for energy. Has to be real energy for a real workout. Or something like that.
 
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conservative_infidel

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DLAB stands for Defense Language Aptitude Battery. Basically it is this phoentic-type of test to test your ability to learn a foriegn language or (i think) ability to work in crypto-science. Intel really means Intelligence type of MOS.

On my DLAB I scored a 94 and qualified for Russian. The reason I am suggesting these to you to at least check out is because Federal recruiters are nuts for guys with a language skills coupled with Intel training. Basically, you could make some good money after your tour of duty if you decide to get out. Not only that, Intel MOS mostly keep you on the cutting edge of all the fun, without the gun. :cool:
 
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Doombringer

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Okay, I am a canadian, and I haven't been in any army before, but joining a service where it is possible to get killed (and much more likely with the war in Iraq) doesn't seem like a very good idea. I don't want you shipped home in small packages any time soon.
 
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Doombringer~ Yes, death and serious injury are definite risks associated with the job. But, not everyone gets injured or killed (besides, you run a risk of getting brutally killed or injured just by getting inside a car, so the threat level isn't too scary). Besides, military service totally trumps a life of non-life, working crap jobs that do nothing just to be a lower-class consumer. Would rather serve my country and do something more important with my time here.

Sound a little crazy? It takes a psycho to be a Marine, methinks. ;)

I don't want to be on the front line all the time, which is why I'm not trying for an MOS like Combat Arms. I do, however, want to see a little combat while not being a "field Marine" so Combat Correspondant sounds like a good fit, especially because its an MOS I have civilian experience relating to. Additionally, I don't want to avoid combat altogether, which is why I always make fun of Navy- and Air Force-style "Nintendo combat" where they sit back and push buttons to fight.

Intel doesn't sound too great as far as my own choices go. Thanks for the info, though, CI. My aptitude for learning new languages is horrible (dropped from beginner Spanish twice) and I wouldn't want to sit in an office day-in and day-out.
 
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