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Well, we might see how much it is to get fixed... it's a fairly nice TV and would be a shame to lose the VCR capability...

No effects during combat. Updated your hand and library to correct? Untap, Draw, attack with Elemental and Rider, Island, Manta Ray, Done. Spiderman: 15 Mana: Swampx4 (T, U, U, U), Islandx2 (T, T) Permanents: (U) Restless Dead (1/1, B: regen) (T) Cloud Elemental (2/3, flying, can only block...

I missed it... we tried to tape it but our VCR died... which sucks 'cause it's part of the TV. I had to go out and buy a new one over the weekend

Actually Giz, there's a slight difference between saying a deck is useless without Necro and then coming back and saying

Then there's no way of ascribing with any certainty a value to a particular card so this whole exercise seems futile.

Pass back, damage Dealing time...

But wasn't that the point? To weaken it so it didn't dominate the format?

Since the late fall of '99, I believe. 4 1/2 years, about. And it does seem like forever :)

Why?

I think this boils down to how we look at trying to describe advantage. You, it seems, like to try to think many moves ahead and try to take in all possibilities. I, and I think Oscar Tan from his articles, are talking about a specific moment in time on the game table. As such, this is...

Nope, and to prevent others from defiling it, I'd let it become overgrown with weeds and rot. Were Yohan and Pee-Wee really a good idea?

Isaac Asimov

Okay, edited all the stats (I hope). Done. Spiderman: 16 Mana: Swampx4 (U, U, U, U), Island (U) Permanents: (U) Restless Dead (1/1, B: regen) (T) Cloud Elemental (2/3, flying, can only block flyers) (T) Shadow Rider (3/3, flanking) Graveyard: Shimmering Efreet RFG: Cards In hand: 3 Library...

Not true, WOTC occasionally doesn't playtest a card all the way through or think of all the possibilities in the Future League. That's why there's errata and why the cards you mentioned got errata'd - because people used them for purposes other than originally intended, which is why those...

But that was my point - there are differing views of "casual". It doesn't mean 4 of any card (heck, why stop at four? That's a tourney-inposed limit too) and an absence of a Banned/Restricted List to everyone...

Very true. But to echo you , which is how I feel about your post ;) Except the opinion of whether it's a powerhouse or not. That I don't know. It could be despite your reasonings, or not because of your reasonings, or not despite your reasonings :)

Which is what, Necro? Didn't people manage to get the deck to still work when Necro was restricted? Or maybe I'm thinking of Dark Ritual...

Why would I have complaints? I'm not the theory guy, you guys are :) Although again, I think you're looking at the Wake at what it can give you in the future, i.e. possible plays, rather than what you might have in hand now. I mean, you say it could cause you to hold a land for other...

Isty: I didn't think you were outnumbered, but it seemed you just didn't want to deal with the hassle anyways. But yeah, you've been a "forever here oldie" to me :)

Oh, she knows how much Magic delights me... she just usually doesn't get me any because of how it used to take up a lot of my time. Which is why it teeters on her dislike side - she just has bad memories of it competing with her. She knows the basics of how to play - I tried teaching her way...