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Well, most decks can be improved. But when the improvements become minor details or fine-tuning, that's a good sign...

This is what I have in mind right now, although there are other ideas I'm toying with... 4x Diabolic Edict 4x Duress 4x Hymn to Tourach 4x Pox 4x Dark Ritual 4x Sinkhole 3x Hypnotic Specter 4x Chimeric Idol 4x The Rack 3x Cursed Scroll 4x Chrome Mox 18x Swamp No sideboard yet. Some changes...

You can't be serious... :rolleyes: The margin is enough that casual observation will show you. The people I play with have at least a general idea of what is on the Vintage restricted list. But most of them don't know the exact contents, and they're pretty good players. The number of players...

Why not use Juzam Djinn? He's pretty nice...

This may or may not have happened to me as well... But stop it. You're not helping my case... :o

It's okay though... The more those TMD'ers ignore Agony, the more time it gives me to fine-tune my deck and actually get the cards for it... :D The thing that worries me the most is TPS actually being a better deck than it... I think eventually TPS will become THE combo deck for the format...

A deck with no threats?

I have no qualms with that either...

Did you conduct a survey? Come on. Most of the magic playing population doesn't play very much and isn't into the game at all. They aren't going to keep up with the B/R lists. Sure, the good players do... But the idea that casual play is more broken than Vintage? Who draws 4 Racks in an opening...

That's too bad. Although if you have the other cards, getting a playset of Rectors isn't all that big of a deal... I still need to get a ton of cards, mostly just the more expensive ones, in order to complete my Agony deck... But it has proven to be a monster in testing. Duress and Therapy...

Why are they so aggressive toward burn? In most multiplayer games I've been in, there's often a combo or prison deck to worry about. If everyone mauls burn right away they die...

If Workshop were restricted, it would probably put TPS or Rectal Agony into a dominant position... Stax is Rectal Agony's worst matchup. And it can still win there. I am actually a bit surprised that Agony isn't seeing more play, since it slaughters most decks...

Yeah, I love Abeyance...

Thanks. Well, it didn't turn out exactly the way I wanted it really. But I DID write it, so I can't disown it or anything. And it sort of sent the message I wanted to...

For what format? Vintage? It doesn't matter what the latest builds look like, because they never win... Any deck that wants to compete these days should have an answer to Workshop-Trinisphere on the first turn...

The most expensive cards I see in it are probably the Clamps... Why would he not have the deck in reality?

To be honest, this is outdated combo. It wins against underpowered decks or bad decks, to be sure... I mean, it is fast after all. But in competitive play, I do not see it doing well...

Hypnotic Specter, Phyrexian Negator... Like I said though, I'm not sure if it belongs or not. I wasn't the one who called it "terrible." I don't think it's in the same league as Morphling either...

Actually, he changed it. But Welder and monoblue control are kind of different gameplans...

TMD is The Mana Drain... I forgot about good ole Flesh Reaver... Creatures in Type I that are better than Nantuko Shade... Goblin Welder Academy Rector Psychatog Hypnotic Specter Morphling Masticore Birds of Paradise Phyrexian Dreadnought Gorilla Shaman Wild Mongrel Sundering Titan Flying Men...