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Yeah, from what I've heard/read, the clock was slowed a bit (for the whole format) and a few decks were killed (Hulk Flash is an obvious one). I'm not sure that this one will be too different. The distinction is that because this is unrestrictions instead of restrictions, if one of these cards...

I don't know what to think about this. I thought the June changes to Vintage were extreme, but they seem tame compared to this. And I said those changes in June had made me lose interest in the format. They did. I haven't been following it at all. But this is just too fascinating not to pay...

Ouch. That must have burned. :p

I... :eek: What? :confused:

I voted for Wood Elemental because I think it's the worst card in any set, let alone this one.

Oh, it's also fun to get two copies of Chains into play... That's awesome. They don't make 'em like they used to...

It uses Lich and a combination of other cards which tend to vary in order to go off like the Turboland deck (if you recall that one--it was powered by Exploration and Horn of Greed), but typically faster and more broken. Optimally, it killed by getting the combination of Fastbond, Glacial Chasm...

We'll do that.

Chains of Mephistopheles isn't broken, but it is pretty powerful in a niche role. The guy who got second place in the first SCG power nine tournament made good use of it.

And at what age is it all downhill from? I mean, we all know you're way past it... :p

How close is Cugel to the door at this point? Will it be easier for him to try to hold his ground or cover a retreat into the other room like Kurik wants to do?

You had another Oblivion Ring too? Ugh. I guess that's game. I thought I had that one too. You keep stealing them out from under me whenever I think I can win.

Oh, I understand that. I'm just saying that I find those situations too fantastic. But of course there is no card that is absolutely 100% useless in every single situation... Falling Star, also from this set, is probably the closest thing to such a card. But there's a random element that could...

TurboLich. Glacial Chasm is great in TurboLich.

I don't even know what "kithkin" are supposed to be, but I already hate them...

So the "combo" is to use something that untaps Forests so that you can lose all of your own Forests in order to play a vanilla creature? A two card combo that gives you a 4/4 (and kills your Forests), huh? How broken. It can't combo with Ernie because you can't sac the Forests used to pay for...

Ugh. If I'd thought about THAT aspect, I would probably have voted Rakalite too...

Tobias Andrion: It sounds more like DF's vendetta with this card is that he kept opening up packs and finding it. Tobias Andrion certainly isn't good, but he's on par with other crappy creatures from this set. They're generally playable, just boring because they have no abilities and inefficient...

Yeah, I'll Counterspell it. :rolleyes:

This set has some terrible cards. At least some of the worst cards ever printed, if not a majority share of the bottom ten. Adventurer's Guildhouse wastes a land-drop on nothing. Great Wall is an enchantment that does nothing. Glyph of Delusion is a cheap but useless instant. Shelkin Brownie is...