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Ah, perhaps I'm just not familiar with such decks. I'm kinda sick of green creatures being on this list so much (my green category is quite a bit larger than any of the others). But I'll add this last one anyway...

I think there are several other factors which are probably bigger influences, but I think part of it is... People are used to playing with artifacts a lot now, thanks to the last block.

I posted one earlier on this page, but I haven't looked into it after posting. The mana base is fairly generic for a W/R deck and might benefit from some tweaking. Also I never tested the deck at all, but I think it's a start...

I think Phage and Phyrexian Dreadnought are very good for this, but maybe I'm just too used to stupid Ninja Mask in Vintage...

Okay, so Hinder isn't the total crap that Spell Blast is, but as Rooser points out, there are better counterspells for the same price... Oh well, at least it is better against Flashback spells, I suppose, although that's not normally enough merit to actually run it in casual decks. Plus...

I'm with you, Tabasco. Might I suggest Raisin as the format for this deck? It's so perfect for any Survival builds, after all...

By giving us a shout out, wouldn't that cause them to break from being lurkers (at least for this one thread)?

Wow, yeah, I'm sure Eternal Witness makes a great new addition to that strategy. :eek:

I accidently threw out my notes from my advanced alchemy class in high school. Off the top of my head it's the former, but I'm not positive. My old high school offered alchemy courses?

Okay, you're right. We need to get some organization going with this though. I move for the creation of a Casual Players Alliance Thread Necromancy Team (CPATNT).

Yeah, I can see how one would not notice it was a joke. Unless one is actually looking for a signs that it is not serious (or particularly adept at detecting them), they can be hard to spot. I assumed it was serious myself, since people have weird hobbies and I didn't remain on the page for long...

Kinemetics

What are you arguing with?

Well, this wasn't my sole reason for considering Spirit of the Night, but I'd like to point out this deck which ran Spirit of the Night and to a great degree of success. Now on Apprentice Necromancer... What are you basing your misgivings on (I do think that they are very reasonable...

I wasn't referring specifically to States decks, but the general impression that CoK has had on Standard. I agree with the sentiment that in Standard (and CoK block perhaps?) the five legendary lands that have no real drawbacks are one-ofs in decks of their colors, because there isn't a reason...

I'm laughing right now. Sorry, I couldn't help it. Blame it on my awesome old Snowfall thread from before. I can dig it up if you don't know the one I mean...

Plow Under is insane, and is especially painful when combined with green land destruction cards. Argothian Wurm is great with this sort of wickedness... Reversing two of their land drops and wasting two of their draws. It's so delightfully evil! :D

Ah. So what do you use with Shared Fate then? Some crazy Rooser-tech no doubt...

Well, no, although I agree with you wholeheartedly on that bit. I was referring to the CoK card that costs an extra mana.

No, I don't have any of those lying around that I know of... Oh, but if anyone has a good (or semi-good) picture of a xyster, sending it to me would be appreciated.