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sageridder

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Unless some other way to put on "luck counters" comes about this is a truly wasted rare slot.Even then the support cards would have to be awesome to make this more than bad trade fodder.This is a turd, should have a common or not at all.
 
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Jigglypuff

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See, this is why I should have been in the Invitational. Which would you rather have, Gemstone Caverns or this:

Enchantment They Probably Wouldn't Let Me Print
1GG
Enchantment of course
Whenever you're dealt damage, you may search your library for that many basic land cards and put them into play tapped. Shuffle your library afterwards.

I think the answer's obvious.

(- Steve -)
 
turgy22

turgy22

Nothing Special
I don't know. The card looks pretty good to me. If it's in your hand, it basically lets you go first whether or not your opponent wants you to.

I don't know about tournament play, but I would definitely consider using it in a few of my aggressive mono-colored decks, whose success is contigent on playing first, but don't need any color-fixing to succeed.

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Nightstalkers

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If you're not playing first and have it in your hand, you dump it into play and pitch yourself down to 5 cards. It's not a very great card for the bigger tournaments seeing as you just screwed yourself bigtime in the card advantage field.

Your next problem with it is the fact that it's a legendary land. You basically stick 4 in your deck with the hope that you'll get that 44.48% chance of drawing it. The card is crap because you're wasting a land drop on something that'll produce colorless and it screws up your mana pool due to the fact that it is legendary.
 
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orgg

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Granted, it will lower your hand to six cards, but that isn't about card disadvantage, its about Tempo. You get a mana "up" on your opponent, effectivly getting to both drop the first land AND draw a card. It 'removes' the 'disadvantage' of going second.
 
turgy22

turgy22

Nothing Special
The entire point of the card is to trade card advantage for tempo. You get an extra early mana source at the price of a card - sort of like a Chrome Mox, except it's a bit more inhibitive.

I did miss the legendary part, which obviously inhibits it quite a bit, making multiples useless late in the game. But I think a lot of people might include one copy in the right deck, just to increase the odds a little bit for tempo-based decks.

EDIT: Yeah, Orgg beat me to the punch.

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DarthFerret

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I could see it being used in a deck revolved around discarding cards from your hand (Force of Will Fodder?). Then, not only do you get a tempo advantage, but you eliminate the useless factor of having more than one in a deck due to Legendary type.

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BigBlue

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Well... if you play it in a deck where you discard for some advantage... then the fact that it's legendary is meaningless...

It is worth a colorless if you don't get it initially....

You get to pick which card you remove - so you can remove a basic land or, should you draw 2, you can remove the other one...

But, if it get's bounced or killed, you really lose tempo from it....

In limited, it would be a decent card... a fairly good chance to draw it...

I think they poked it a little too hard though, I would prefer it if you could skip your next draw to get the luck counter when it comes into play.

EDIT - I see DF beat me to the discard idea... :)

And yes, FoW requires a blue card be pitched.
 
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Killerbob

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Interresting and almost playable. But I dont think that it is good enough. You dont discard, you remove from game, so you cant make use of it that way.
You get to play a land first, and loses a card, Its almost like starting. But only almost, since you cant tap it for mana and play anything. You cant combine it with moxes or rituals to make speed start. And it makes colorless mana. You dont want your first land land to make colorless mana. And if that should be bad enough, you risk wasteland, and you might face problems because of it beeing a legendary land.

But then again, it might be worth playing in combodecks, maybe even strong in some. Probably not in aggro. Aggro dont want colorless mana.

It comboes with wishes. Very strong tutoreffekt :)
 
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DarthFerret

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Killerbob, I think you need to read the card a bit better. If it has the counter, the mana can be any color. If it does not have a counter, it is colorless. If you start the game with it in your hand, you can put it in play (as long as you are not the first player) with a counter. For the pre-release draft, I think it will have a fairly large impact. As for constructed, not so much I think. Also, keep in mind that we do not know if there is going to be a way to give the land a luck counter later on.

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Lythand

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DarthFerret said:
If you start the game with it in your hand, you can put it in play (as long as you are not the first player) with a counter.
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Just to clarify, it doesnt matter if your first or not. You put directly into play. If your first you could then play your turn and drop another land.

I know this as if you play Leyline of singularity online, you automatically have priority to drop it first, then if you are first player to go you play your turn, if not you drop the leyline and then player one goes.

So once everyone has chosen to take mulligan first or not, then you drop, and player with priority goes.
 
Oversoul

Oversoul

The Tentacled One
Oh, it's decent when you drop it with that ability. But what about the times when it's not in your opening hand or when you go first? It's a dead card. Dead cards suck. This card sucks. It's not as bad as Snowfall or anything, but I wouldn't put it in any of my decks...

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Ransac

CPA Trash Man
Lythand said:
Just to clarify, it doesnt matter if your first or not. You put directly into play. If your first you could then play your turn and drop another land.
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The card specifically says "If Gemstone Mine is in your opening hand and you're not playing first,..."

Ransac, cpa trash man
 
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Lythand

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Ransac said:
The card specifically says "If Gemstone Mine is in your opening hand and you're not playing first,..."

Ransac, cpa trash man
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I didnt catch that part.

Well the Leylines still work the other way
 
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