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Firestorm
Guest
Seems to me that they're closing up shop...
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MrXarvox
Guest
I've always been an opponent of the Dojo; it was there where the netdeck concept grew to its hideous proportions. 
Isn't it great? The netdeck site is going down!
Isn't it great? The netdeck site is going down!
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Baskil
Guest
Which is funny, because most of the 'netdecks' on the Dojo decks pages are pretty friggin' terrible. Not to mention that the 'decks to beat' were decks tuned for the tournament they played in.
Now if you want to be happy about the dojo leaving, be glad that you won't have those really crappy
"Round1 - i mize bdly My op iz a major stik" type reports.
Now if you want to be happy about the dojo leaving, be glad that you won't have those really crappy
"Round1 - i mize bdly My op iz a major stik" type reports.
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Hetemti
Guest
When I first came to the Dojo, the site had a black background. Then they went to white and went straight down the crapper.
When I first came to the CPA, the site had a black background. Then they went to white and...
When I first came to the CPA, the site had a black background. Then they went to white and...
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FrigginRizzo
Guest
<insert greeting>
The Dojo ceasing operations is not good, contrary to what Uncle X believes. The online community is frazzled and loosely held together as it is. Taking away the site that started it all is akin to knocking the legs out from under us. While you may not have liked The Dojo and it's effect on the game, it is hard for me to understand anyone's idea that this is a "good death."
You don't have to cry about The Dojo's demise, but a nod of appreciation and a little respect is in order. If it wasn't for The Dojo and the possibilities it offered, there would be no CPA - maybe that stark reality will hit you a little closer to home.
There will be those who say good riddance; those are the people that can't see the forest for the trees. The Magic community needs help from anyone willing to lend a hand; when one of these hands are cut off at the wrist, it makes it that much harder for us to form even a roughly organized skeleton crew.
This is wake up call: if one of the biggies can bite the dust, can the rest be as solid as we think they are? While not every site is only concerned with the bottom line, enough are that this game could be led down the road of dollars instead of sense. And that would/will suck. Hard.
So do your part to keep the community together, or one day you may come to the CPA and find an error 404. If you wish to wait until that day, be my guest, but I'll be over here doing my part, determined to keep our community as vibrant as possible.
John Friggin' Rizzo
The Dojo ceasing operations is not good, contrary to what Uncle X believes. The online community is frazzled and loosely held together as it is. Taking away the site that started it all is akin to knocking the legs out from under us. While you may not have liked The Dojo and it's effect on the game, it is hard for me to understand anyone's idea that this is a "good death."
You don't have to cry about The Dojo's demise, but a nod of appreciation and a little respect is in order. If it wasn't for The Dojo and the possibilities it offered, there would be no CPA - maybe that stark reality will hit you a little closer to home.
There will be those who say good riddance; those are the people that can't see the forest for the trees. The Magic community needs help from anyone willing to lend a hand; when one of these hands are cut off at the wrist, it makes it that much harder for us to form even a roughly organized skeleton crew.
This is wake up call: if one of the biggies can bite the dust, can the rest be as solid as we think they are? While not every site is only concerned with the bottom line, enough are that this game could be led down the road of dollars instead of sense. And that would/will suck. Hard.
So do your part to keep the community together, or one day you may come to the CPA and find an error 404. If you wish to wait until that day, be my guest, but I'll be over here doing my part, determined to keep our community as vibrant as possible.
John Friggin' Rizzo
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Zadok001
Guest
Rizzo is correct, this _is_ a sad day for the community. A good site has been lost, and that does deserve the same respect we'd give the loss of any other site.
HOWEVER!
I believe that mourning the Dojo's death right now is somewhat silly. Reasoning? The Dojo died a long time ago, and has simply been in it's death rattles since last spring. It had it's moments, but it hasn't been the same since it fell apart. It is unfortunate that it left, but we must realize that the outpouring of sympathy we see right now was more deserved 10 months ago.
I don't believe the idea that the Dojo's collapse could mean the death of other major sites is accurate, for all those reasons. The Dojo has been dead. It just took 'til now for it to keel over. The other sites are still vaguely stable. Starcity keeps a constant influx of good articles, Mindripper provides brilliant writings by several intelligent authors, the Sideboard quiet reports everything, and MtgNews keeps us up-to-date. Those sites won't collapse until something _major_ happens. This is not the end. It is AN end, but it is not THE end.
~insert moment of silence here~
The Dojo is a piece of Magic history, for better or for worse.
HOWEVER!
I believe that mourning the Dojo's death right now is somewhat silly. Reasoning? The Dojo died a long time ago, and has simply been in it's death rattles since last spring. It had it's moments, but it hasn't been the same since it fell apart. It is unfortunate that it left, but we must realize that the outpouring of sympathy we see right now was more deserved 10 months ago.
I don't believe the idea that the Dojo's collapse could mean the death of other major sites is accurate, for all those reasons. The Dojo has been dead. It just took 'til now for it to keel over. The other sites are still vaguely stable. Starcity keeps a constant influx of good articles, Mindripper provides brilliant writings by several intelligent authors, the Sideboard quiet reports everything, and MtgNews keeps us up-to-date. Those sites won't collapse until something _major_ happens. This is not the end. It is AN end, but it is not THE end.
~insert moment of silence here~
The Dojo is a piece of Magic history, for better or for worse.
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Cateran Emperor
Guest
I've hated the Dojo ever since I first encountered it, three years ago or so. Everyone's heard me curse it, mock it, ridicule it, and jab at it. I came here disillusioned with Magic because of it. So am I happy that it's gone?
No.
The Dojo, decrepit site I always thought of it as, did have some points of light. Had it never been, we would not have our great Alliance.
The petty person that I was grew into the current me, after realizing that I don't have to give a darn about what they said or if they ruined the game. It may have ruined others, but not myself, so in time I grew to respect that wasteland for making me the mroe resilient person that I am. I can deal with the people who are the products of the Dojo and its 'Netdeck' syndrome.
This enemy, regardless of how corrupt, had no such intention when it began. For its effort, for those of all the people behind it who couldn't stop the site from becoming the playground of misspelled, poorly written, and chock full of magic slang (I lay a curse on the man who came up with any of the following terms: 'tech', 'topdeck', 'scrub', 'mise', and so on...) tournament reports from players who had no clue about how to write sensibly, and so opted to mock their opponents and their opponents' decks for a few K's of memory. I truly feel sorry for those who couldn't control the beast they had unleashed...
[me]salutes his fallen foe...[/me]
No.
The Dojo, decrepit site I always thought of it as, did have some points of light. Had it never been, we would not have our great Alliance.
The petty person that I was grew into the current me, after realizing that I don't have to give a darn about what they said or if they ruined the game. It may have ruined others, but not myself, so in time I grew to respect that wasteland for making me the mroe resilient person that I am. I can deal with the people who are the products of the Dojo and its 'Netdeck' syndrome.
This enemy, regardless of how corrupt, had no such intention when it began. For its effort, for those of all the people behind it who couldn't stop the site from becoming the playground of misspelled, poorly written, and chock full of magic slang (I lay a curse on the man who came up with any of the following terms: 'tech', 'topdeck', 'scrub', 'mise', and so on...) tournament reports from players who had no clue about how to write sensibly, and so opted to mock their opponents and their opponents' decks for a few K's of memory. I truly feel sorry for those who couldn't control the beast they had unleashed...
[me]salutes his fallen foe...[/me]
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Chaos Turtle
Guest
It's like the Dojo has been on life-support all this time, and someone finally had the courage to pull the plug.
What killed it?
Cancer of the bank account, I guess.
When it went from a Magic players' site to a Commercial Enterprise, the life went out of it.
When they let the forums die, they may as well have cut out its heart. Ever since the old threaded-comments forums (you know, the endless pages of indented replies to replies to replies...) the Dojo was a haven for those like myself who wanted to learn more about the game, about deckbuilding, and about the players.
But Sensei Frank went away, and his successors commercialized the vision.
My gathered friends, mourn not that the Dojo that has just died, but the Dojo which was killed a long time ago.
So long as the remaining noteworthy sites remember that they are here for all the players, not just the ones who are money-puking tourney-hogs, they should fare better than our fallen friend.
Long live StarCity!
May our new King of the Netsurfing Magic Community heed the lessons of recent history, and serve us well.
The favor will be returned, I'm sure.
What killed it?
Cancer of the bank account, I guess.
When it went from a Magic players' site to a Commercial Enterprise, the life went out of it.
When they let the forums die, they may as well have cut out its heart. Ever since the old threaded-comments forums (you know, the endless pages of indented replies to replies to replies...) the Dojo was a haven for those like myself who wanted to learn more about the game, about deckbuilding, and about the players.
But Sensei Frank went away, and his successors commercialized the vision.
My gathered friends, mourn not that the Dojo that has just died, but the Dojo which was killed a long time ago.
So long as the remaining noteworthy sites remember that they are here for all the players, not just the ones who are money-puking tourney-hogs, they should fare better than our fallen friend.
Long live StarCity!
May our new King of the Netsurfing Magic Community heed the lessons of recent history, and serve us well.
The favor will be returned, I'm sure.
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Gizmo
Guest
The Dojo has died.
Again.
If it gets back up I`m going to have stake it down.
But The Dojo lives on. The Dojo created modern magic. The Dojo transformed Magic from a game that you played with the three people who you started playing with and turned it into a game with a global community. I`ve had the opportunity, in my life, to travel the world (both with the Pro Tour and on personal trips) and play Magic in cool places and make lots of new friends who, without an international Magic community, I would never have known from Adam, or occasionally from Eve.
The Dojo wasn`t just the netdeck home, it was the rogue home. Without The Dojo there would be nobody like Kai Budde or Jon Finkel and people would still be playing with Mesa Pegasus in white weenie decks. But without The Dojo there would be nobody like Jamie Wakefield or Anthony Alongi, and we`d have all stopped playing Magic four years ago because it would have been boring. Pro, wannabe Pro, Scrub, even the lowly wannabe Scrub - The Dojo served all with equal time and space to say what they wanted to say.
The Dojo Is Dead...
Long Live The Dojo!
Because The Dojo is not dead, like a Salmon that has fought upstream to reach it`s birthpoint it can now lay down to die in peace, safe in the knowledge that it`s job has been done. It`s children will carry the job forwards, and they are many and they are strong: Starcity, NewWave, Meridian, Mindripper, CPA, CCGPrime, Neutral Ground, Brainburst, Yavapai, and no doubt a great many others too legion to mention (such as Team Legion).
thedojo.com is dead, but The Dojo lives on.
We should be thankful that the immense Dojo archives will remain accessible for there is the very history of our hobby, written by the people who made it as it happened. If you`ve never used them, then I suggest you do so because there is everything in there you could possibly want. The Dojo archives will teach you how to play Magic, they will teach you how to build decks, they will teach you how to write articles about small plastic dinosaurs and even smaller dogs.
The Dojo was never purely about tournaments. It was about whatever you put into it. But I would feel very strongly about anybody who is gleefully celebrating it`s demise - I feel very sorry for somebody who`s view of reality is so warped by their own petty grievances that they cannot recognise the demise of a truly great institution with a degree of respect.
I feel very sorry that the same gleeful reveller doesn`t actually realise that The Dojo is not dead, but that it has lived a very successful life and achieved goals far beyond those with which Frank Kusumoto must have begun.
Open your eyes. The Dojo built Magic, it singlehandedly created a global community of likeminded people who shared the same interests. The Dojo was a personification of everything which the internet stood for.
"You can`t win, Darth. If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."
- Obi Wan Kenobi
As much as I am scared by the concept of a glowing Frank Kusumoto appearing over my shoulder mid-match and whispering "Use the Force Of Will, Luke", I think the above quote sums it up quite nicely. The Dojo fought for the good guys, because it fought for all of us.
Again.
If it gets back up I`m going to have stake it down.
But The Dojo lives on. The Dojo created modern magic. The Dojo transformed Magic from a game that you played with the three people who you started playing with and turned it into a game with a global community. I`ve had the opportunity, in my life, to travel the world (both with the Pro Tour and on personal trips) and play Magic in cool places and make lots of new friends who, without an international Magic community, I would never have known from Adam, or occasionally from Eve.
The Dojo wasn`t just the netdeck home, it was the rogue home. Without The Dojo there would be nobody like Kai Budde or Jon Finkel and people would still be playing with Mesa Pegasus in white weenie decks. But without The Dojo there would be nobody like Jamie Wakefield or Anthony Alongi, and we`d have all stopped playing Magic four years ago because it would have been boring. Pro, wannabe Pro, Scrub, even the lowly wannabe Scrub - The Dojo served all with equal time and space to say what they wanted to say.
The Dojo Is Dead...
Long Live The Dojo!
Because The Dojo is not dead, like a Salmon that has fought upstream to reach it`s birthpoint it can now lay down to die in peace, safe in the knowledge that it`s job has been done. It`s children will carry the job forwards, and they are many and they are strong: Starcity, NewWave, Meridian, Mindripper, CPA, CCGPrime, Neutral Ground, Brainburst, Yavapai, and no doubt a great many others too legion to mention (such as Team Legion).
thedojo.com is dead, but The Dojo lives on.
We should be thankful that the immense Dojo archives will remain accessible for there is the very history of our hobby, written by the people who made it as it happened. If you`ve never used them, then I suggest you do so because there is everything in there you could possibly want. The Dojo archives will teach you how to play Magic, they will teach you how to build decks, they will teach you how to write articles about small plastic dinosaurs and even smaller dogs.
The Dojo was never purely about tournaments. It was about whatever you put into it. But I would feel very strongly about anybody who is gleefully celebrating it`s demise - I feel very sorry for somebody who`s view of reality is so warped by their own petty grievances that they cannot recognise the demise of a truly great institution with a degree of respect.
I feel very sorry that the same gleeful reveller doesn`t actually realise that The Dojo is not dead, but that it has lived a very successful life and achieved goals far beyond those with which Frank Kusumoto must have begun.
Open your eyes. The Dojo built Magic, it singlehandedly created a global community of likeminded people who shared the same interests. The Dojo was a personification of everything which the internet stood for.
"You can`t win, Darth. If you strike me down I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."
- Obi Wan Kenobi
As much as I am scared by the concept of a glowing Frank Kusumoto appearing over my shoulder mid-match and whispering "Use the Force Of Will, Luke", I think the above quote sums it up quite nicely. The Dojo fought for the good guys, because it fought for all of us.
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Apollo
Guest
I was going to make a comment, but Gizmo summed it up perfectly, better than I ever could. Without the Dojo, there would never have been a CPA. Think about that before you rejoice over its demise. Before it became about money, it was the best site around, with articles ranging from Pro Tour reports to Wakefield's occasional rambling to Quard's weird stuff.
I think I've said it before, but I'll say it again...
I liked the original Dojo in that it grabbed the "best" of the Net, whether it be articles or community issues or whatever, and put them in one place so someone like me who didn't have time to go trolling all the sites and message boards could see what was going on.
As others have said, last spring was really the downfall of the Dojo and it's been puttering along since, updating here and there but not as regularly as before (and mostly taking submissions, not going to other sites).
But it was the first Magic site I went to and led me to all the others, particular here.
I liked the original Dojo in that it grabbed the "best" of the Net, whether it be articles or community issues or whatever, and put them in one place so someone like me who didn't have time to go trolling all the sites and message boards could see what was going on.
As others have said, last spring was really the downfall of the Dojo and it's been puttering along since, updating here and there but not as regularly as before (and mostly taking submissions, not going to other sites).
But it was the first Magic site I went to and led me to all the others, particular here.
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Rando
Guest
Any day that I find a random StarWars reference is a good day for me.
And Spiderman is right. The Dojo was the first Magic Site I ever visited, and it was the first for many, many others. With out it, for better or worse, I would have never found my way to MTGnews and ultimatly to here.
And now, I've been waiting for an oppotunity to do this...
Spiderman, Spiderman
Does whatever a spider can.
Spins a web, any size
Cathces thieves, just like flies.
Spiderman! Spi-Der-MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
And how many of you are old enough to remember that song?
And Spiderman is right. The Dojo was the first Magic Site I ever visited, and it was the first for many, many others. With out it, for better or worse, I would have never found my way to MTGnews and ultimatly to here.
And now, I've been waiting for an oppotunity to do this...
Spiderman, Spiderman
Does whatever a spider can.
Spins a web, any size
Cathces thieves, just like flies.
Spiderman! Spi-Der-MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
And how many of you are old enough to remember that song?