shuffling with sleeves; please help!

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aszl826

Guest
Hello,

I'm sorry to bother you with this petty question, but i would appreciate it if you could tell me a way to easily shuffle sleeved cards. the sleeves often prevent a steady grasp of the cards, causing shuffling difficulties.
Thank you very much.
 
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Hetemti

Guest
You have two options, overhand and riffle.

The latter, which is where you split the deck, bend the cards upward, and let them fall into place is the best way to shuffle, and is required at most tournaments. However, it's hard for some people to do this. Also, it tends to stretch out the tops of the covers a little. Furthermore, one card might fall within another sleve, tearing it down the side when you push the halves together.

Your other option is overhand, where you take the bottom half of the deck and force it into the top half. If you choose to do this, follow one simple rule:

The top card of the bottom half MUST replace the top card of the top half, and the bottom card of the top half MUST be entered into the body of the top half.

Otherwise, you are cheating since the top card was controled. This rule applies to all forms of shuffling.
 
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theorgg

Guest
hmmm... first of all, I would like to welcome you to the CPA. Feel free to post just about anything here, barring links to pornography... though it HAS been done before by Foundation of Rancor...

Anyway,

The way to shuffle with sleeves that I found was to "riffle shuffle" but use the sides of the card...

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! ! ! ! hmmm... say theese are the cards in the
~~~~ ~~~~ position you normally shuffle in.

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!! !! This is the way you should shuffle(the Magic should
~~ ~~ be between the !!'s)

Then you just pick up each of the card stacks and let the cards drop into one pile...

just make sure you shuffle using the sides and not the top and bottom.

Again, Welcome to the CPA
 
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Hetemti

Guest
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Almindhra

Guest
Maybe because my hands are smaller then the average guy's...I don't know...But I shuffle them by the split and riffle...Although it goes into large chunks of cards, and doesn't really shuffle well...

Pile shuffling is the way to go...But watch out for cheaters who have a whole mathematical thing worked out where they get exactly the cards they want...

TIP: When at a tournament, you can shuffle the persons deck...When you hand it back to them, all they can do is cut it...Its good against cheaters
 
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Hetemti

Guest
Pile shuffling is NOT an option unless you do it randomly, as in using dice in a very contrived manner to insure randomness. Otherwise it's unconrolled deck stacking that leads to two things:

1) God draws.
2) The worst friggin draws you've ever seen!

Often, you'll get the god layouts on deck checks and terrible ones on the third game of a final match.

If you need proof of the need for proper shuffling, I refer you to Mike Long.
 
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Hawaiian mage

Guest
You shuffle like that? If you shuffle overhand like that the cards get stuk in other card's sleeves. I shufle from the side. Works for me...
 
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Hetemti

Guest
I shuffle overhand, sideways, so that the corners of the left half are forced into the long side of the right half at an angle.
 
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Chaos Turtle

Guest
I usually do the side-force shuffle, but I don't worry too much about the top and botom cards going into the deck; I just alternate which direction I go in.

I find this to be fairly thorough - I do it 5-10 times - but I usually follow up with a couple of riffle shuffles, holding the cards side-by-side rather than top-to-bottom.

I never pile shuffle unless I'm playing some deck that gets huge land clump in the graveyard ('Geddon or somesuch). I still follow the pile shuffle with the force and riffle shuffles.
 
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Almindhra

Guest
I can't side shuffle, I've tried...I am a SIDE SHUFFLE FAILURE!!!!
 
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Duel

Guest
yeah, he posted it to beastlove.com (See! No URL!). Anyways, feel free to gabber. God knows, the flaming people did....
 
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