Black & White

[Captain Caveman]

I was reviewing the spoiler tonight and saw several interesting black and white cards so I thought I'd try
an build a deck for the upcomming Type II.

I'm sure my decks really bad so I could use some help.

Comments?
Suggestions?
or
a new deck idea?


4 Dark Ritual
4 Plague Spitter
4 Phyrexian Scuta
4 Thrashing Wumpus
2 Phyrexian Arena

4 Spirit Link
4 Seal of Cleansing

4 Vindicate
4 Gerrard's Verdict
2 Death Grasp

9 Swamp
7 Plain
4 Rishadan Port
4 Caves of Koilos

Thanx,
Caveman

 

[Lotus Mox]

-4 Seal of Cleansing (with Vindicate main these are s/b cards)
+2 Duress (I would put in 4 but I couldn't find something to take out for them)
+2 Phyrexian Arena

other cards to consider: Lashknife Barrier, Crypt Rats.

My B/W deck looks like this:

4 Abyssal Specter
4 Spectral Lynx
4 Putrid Warrior
4 Phyrexian Rager
4 Dark Ritual
4 Phyrexian Arena
4 Vindicate
4 Duress
4 Gerrard's Verdict
2 Death Grasp
7 Plains
4 Caves of Koilos
11 Swamp

 

[Captain Caveman]

Re: Lotus Mox

-4 Seal of Cleansing (with Vindicate main these are s/b cards)

Your probably right but I figure at the beginning of this environment we'll see a lot of Enchantments and this free's
up the Vindicate for other stuff.



+2 Phyrexian Arena

Its almost pointless to have less then four, Huh.



I wonder how good B/W/U control will be?

Caveman

 

[Griffith_se]

I'm thinking about trying something like this. Its kind of similar to yours.

-[Creatures 11]-
2 Desolation Angel
3 Voice of All
2 Mageta The Lion
4 Spectral Lynx

-[Spells 25]-
4 Dark Ritual
4 Duress
4 Gerrard's Verdict
2 Disenchant
4 Vindicate
4 Phyrexian Arena
3 Death's Grasp

-[Land 24]-
4 Caves of Koilos
11 Swamp
9 Plains

 

[Captain Caveman]

Thanks Griffith_se, thats another potential decklist. I'll
give it a try whenever I get some cards.

Caveman

 

[rkoelsch]

Since you have 4 Vindicates why not drop the 2 disenchants and add 2 gerrard's wisdom. Being basically a control deck it could use the lifegain. especially with the arena's

 

[Almindhra]

I would suggest maybe playing with Yawgmoth's Agenda for Griffith's deck...It is quite amazing how much power that card can give a deck with a lot of spells in it...

 

[Lotus Mox]

Here's a pretty good B/W Control deck, which was posted in the mtgnews.com forum, I tested it a bit on apprentice and I've never lost a game so far. (My test wasn't very extensive though )

11 Swamp
7 Plains
4 Caves of Koilos
2 Kor Haven

3 Blinding Angel
3 Chimeric Idol
2 Nether Spirit

4 Duress
4 Gerrard's Verdict
4 Death Grasp
4 Vindicate
4 Phyrexian Arena (MVP)
3 Wrath of God
1 Rout
2 Story Circle
2 Yawgmoth's Agenda

s/b, as always depending on the metagame, I currently use this one:
2 Meekstone
1 Wrath of God
2 Seal of Cleansing
2 Cremate
2 Voice of All
1 Story Circle
3 Desolation Angel
2 Tsabo's Decree

The Desolation Angel is very good, but against fast creature decks it is too slow and you rarely want to geddon when your opponent has a big horde out, so Blinding Angel got the main deck spot.
The main argument against Blinding Angel is FTK, but isn't that much of a problem in this deck as their initial FTKs are usually discarded, so they have like 4 turns to topdeck one, until you win with (recurring) Death Grasps + Angel damage.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Wow,

That deck looks pretty good to me.....

I was going to post another version but that ones about 10
times better than what I had in mind.

Thanx for ye decklist,

Caveman

 

[Griffith_se]

Lotus Mox's deck:

Do you think it would be worth while to put in some Ritual's, maybe even Peat Bog's?

 

[Griffith_se]

I played a few games and I think DR is unnecessary.
I tried Agenda's but they kinda held me back, most of the time I wanted to cast more than one spell.
I didn't much carre for the Desolation Angel either so I took them out in favor of Idols.

Here's some changes I made to mine.


-4 Dark Ritual
-2 Yawgmoth's Agenda
-2 Desolation Angel
-2 Swamp
-2 Plains

+3 Chimeric Idol
+2 Unmask
+1 Death Grasp
+2 Aura Blast
+4 Rishadan Port

-[Creature's 12]-
3 Chimeric Idol
3 Voice of All
2 Mageta The Lion
4 Spectral Lynx

-[Spell's 24]-
4 Duress
4 Gerrard's Verdict
2 Unmask
4 Vindicate
4 Phyrexian Arena
4 Death's Grasp
2 Aura Blast

-[Land's 24]-
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Rishadan Port
9 Swamp
7 Plains

 

[Purple_jester]

If you want to use Desolation Angel, then you'll have to make a deck based on Armageddon, because that's what the Angel is: a 7-cc Armageddon with a free flying creature. I would therefore recommend 4 Idols in that same deck. 4 Vindicates is a no-brainer, and a few Wraths will do nicely as you build up to that 4 mana + 1 Dark Ritual.

 

[rakso]

With Plague Spitter and Vindicate in there, what if you create a black land d deck backed by fat?

 

[In4ser]

A combo I created that you can use for black and white is Fleash Reaver and Spirit Link. So whenever it deals damage you gain back the life you were dealt by the the fleash reaver and gain 4 life for the the damage dealt to the other player

 

[Captain Caveman]

Re: rakso

How about this?:

4 Duress
4 Dark Ritual
4 Plague Spitter
4 Phyrexian Scuta

4 Chimeric Idol

4 Befoul
4 Despoil
4 Rain of Tears

3 Vindicate

16 Swamp
4 Caves
3 Rishadan Port
2 Dust Bowl


Re: In4ser

Its kind of what I was shooting for with Spitter/Wumpus/Link
That way I could keep it Type II. I don't think the Reaver
is in 7th Edition.

Caveman