The Demise Of Horror

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Zadok001

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[Warning: This contains some spoilers for bad movies.]

I enjoy movies. A lot. I like thinking about them, writing about them, and talking about them. I like tearing the things limb from limb when they're bad, and recommending them to everyone in earshot when they're good. Movies are wonderful things, a form of story-telling that, if done properly, can far exceed the power of written word.

There aren't many types of movies I can't enjoy (pure animation, ala anime or Disney films, for example). I love dramas, comedies, action flicks, thrillers, and damn near anything else you can throw at me.

Lately, I've been feeling very down on one of those great genres - The thriller. As far as I can remember, the last good thriller I saw was the Sixth Sense, and that was years ago. *sigh* On the other hand, I've run the gamut of horrible horror flicks.

Why are they all bloodbaths without any attempt at horror nowadays? Scream took some steps towards brilliant - A pair of intelligent, logical killers with a plan. But it overloaded on blood, and basically tried to throw dead bodies at the audience until someone snapped. The sequels were even worse, Scream 2 being the worst offender (IMHO). They took the blood even further, took extreme measures to keep the killer's identity secret, and had some counfounding leaps of dumb logic that simply didn't fit.

I was annoyed at the Scream series for a long time. A few weeks ago, I broke down, and watched I Know What You Did Last Summer. My. God. Never has there been such a moronic killer in the history of film. For those of you who haven't seen it (don't), the killer is indeed the same guy they ran over. He survived. Towards the end of the film, in the requisite bad guy speech before trying to off the main character, he comments that teenagers should be out doing other things on a nice summer night - Things like driving drunk, doing drugs, and... Dum dum! Getting away with murder! It doesn't appear to occur to him that he is alive, and it's hard to commit murder without actually KILLING someone. It doesn't help that every time one of the characters gets offed, it's because of their own inability to understand basic survival. For example: Do not lock yourself in a room with someone who wants to kill you. That's stupid. Do not stand still looking at him while he charges you with a hook. Do not scream and run away with a panicked look on your face when he's standing in the only doorway. Etc...

Today, the last straw. Final Destination. My wonderful girlfriend and I didn't even bother to finish the thing. Rube Goldberg could not have come up with such contrived and idiotic ways to kill people if he'd tried. One of the main characters takes no less than three fatal injuries before biting it (a piece of metal through her throat, a knife in the chest, and a huge gas explosion). To make matters still worse, the main characters have the absolute STRANGEST ways of reacting to death. One of the main characters gets hit by a bus, splattering all of the others with blood. In the next scene (apparently later that day), they're chatting about who will die next. I don't know about you, but if MY girlfriend got nailed by a bus, covering MY face with blood, I'd be a bit more responsive than THAT.

*sigh*

I suppose my point is fairly simple: I wanna see a good, recent horror flick. Anyone got some for me? Or have you all been as thoroughly pissed at recent thriller movies as I have?
 
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FoundationOfRancor

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I agree with you that there havent been many good Thrillers out.

I assumed Final Destination was a Horror/Comedy; its a really good movie if you think of it in that context.
You should have watched the ending too, its great!
 
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Zadok001

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We'll get back to it today. :) We got annoyed around the beheading, when both of us sat there saying "And now the little peice of metal shoots off and cuts his head off." At which point it occurred. *sigh* I heard the ending was good, and because of that, I'll convince my wonderful girlfriend to finish it. *sigh* again.
 
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Namielus

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At first I saw this form and nearly killed myself, I thought you said terror was dead (1b instant kill any non-black/non-artifact creature...) Bad Zadok! but alass I read what you said. Face it horror as we know it is dead.

Horror/thriller movies are based around the princible that if you shock the audiance enought you will discust them or scary them.

Also know this you are a smart rational person (most of the time). I have a feeling you can easily run from a killer without tripping over your own 2 feet, but be honest did you want drew to get away... the answer is no :)

Granted I hate just about all the horror/thriller movies I've seen with the exception to the 6th sense. this is because we as viewers are trying to think how we would react. The filmmakers most think pretty differently...

But I have a horror/thriller thing that I advice everyone see. But I warn you this was the most gut wrenching, viseral thing I have ever seen, but it was the best.

Again a film by M. Night Shyamalan but this was a scene cut from the final movie. I will tell you at little about what happens, and I tell you there is no blood at all nor any gore of any sort, but it will have your heart.

One of the characters of the movies is a person that has very weak bones, this segment was of him as a small child and he steps on to a park ride. At the end of the ride his arms and ribs are shattered, and he is overlooked crying at the bottom of the ride. You have to see it to understand, so see it, its avalible on the DVD version of unbreakable.

The reason why horror has been bad is because very few people are willing to take risks in making movies theses days, and unless its a smash no one will no. I reffer to momento on this on, which I have sit been unable to see because of work (which I'm at right now).

Following the formulas aways has worked, More Gore + More Sex + More Violence + Less Clothing + Less Intellegente Characters + 1-2 big name actors = Top rated movie as far as money made, not minds enlightened.

I need to go now, Compusa Calls.
 
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Azreal the Soulmaster

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I have a strong distaste for horror movies, since they never seem to take into account common sense and logic. Take for example one of the most stupid movies I have ever seen, Childs Play, c'mon a doll, granted it has a knife, but its a doll has anyone every heard of drop kicking the damn thing.
 
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Turtlewax Joe

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First off Azreal Chucky was a freaky as hell doll. When somebody saw the little guy on a shelf, they wanted to get closer and look at him. At which point he gouges their eye out, cuts off their nuts, and stabs them in the heart, so yes, it is concievable to se how Chucky could kill someone.

BTW, I love ALL chucky movies!~
 
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Ura

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Horror is kinda dead.
The slasher films that were full of blood and guts and body parts being mutilated in the 80's are a thing of the past. We're desensitised to that from the movie before and the fact that stuff like that happens on the news irl to a degree. And honestly, they're boring because the story is ALWAYS exactly the same, which gets dumb after a while no matter how many naked chicks are in it.
The things that work these days are the thriller and suspense styled horror movies. The ones that play with your head and let your own mind scare you or are so disturbed from the norm that it gives you the feeling sick version of being scared. There are some great movies that do this, though not nearly enough. Some suggestions from the distant to recent past are:

Silence of the Lambs - Way better then Hanibal
The Cube - this is what The Cell could have been.
8mm - this movie revolted me enough that I couldn't finish watching it

Also there is my prefered genre of fright flicks which are the gothic and religious thrillers. Movies like The Prophecy, Bless the Child, The exorcist series (old but still good). They may not scare you, but they're still enjoyable without being a drama or a comedy.
 
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Landkiller

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Basically, a horror movie has to do the same job as any other movie to not suck. It has to have actors that don't suck. It has to have a flow as a movie, from scene to scene. And it has to build toward something.

I think Final Destination was a tight movie. The concept of it is original, and the suspenseful atmosphere was very cool. That movie had me thinking, just like Fight Club or some other good movie.

But, I also liked Scary Movie 1 and 2, so that may just be my tastes.

My favorite horror movie ever is Night of the Living Dead, original version.

The new House on Haunted Hill was cool. The freakiness was what made it work.

The Hitcher is a good old horror movie, though not original, it was done well.

Reqieum for a Dream was practically a horror movie, for those of you who have seen it. It scared me.

John Carpenter does good horror movies, I'm thinking of Vampires, and his remake of the Thing (this alien lands in antarctica, and starts killing things).

The worst horror movie I've recently seen is Stephen King's Night Flier. That movie was one you just laugh at. Every part of that movie got stupider and stupider, while trying to be serious.
 
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theorgg

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I don't like horrors that much for some reason, personally, but there's a few that I do like. Scary Movie 1&2 were good, and I could recognise some of the takeoffs of other movies in it. You might like 'em, Zadoc, since you've seen so many horrors.

The second series I'd like to mention is the Evil Dead trilogy. Funny and kinda scary. Very well done, expecially the second and third one...

And the movie that scared me so much I didn't even WANT to watch it: Spiceworld.
 

Spiderman

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Zadok: If you didn't like I Know What You Did Last Summer, don't see Urban Legends. Basically it's the same plot and all...

(just saw it on USA's Killer Friday).
 
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FoundationOfRancor

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Ura, I thought Cube was a really, really, cool movie!
 
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Hetemti

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One of the more recent horror flicks I found interesting was American Psycho. Sure, it was LOADED with blood, guts, sex, gore, and volence (as per the above equation :) ), but the main character (Patrick Bateman, excellently played by Christian Bale) is one of the most entertaining movie killers to watch from a psychological viewpoint, because his actions actually fit the medical discription of a psychopath, and even the implausible scenes in the film lead one to wonder if it actually happened or was a delusion. (Such as when he's at a ATM, and it displays "FEED ME A STRAY CAT.")
 
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arhar

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I completely agree. Scream 1-3, I Know What You Did Last Summer, were exceptionally terrible movies that I felt a lot dumber after watching. Scary Movie almost made me throw up, NOT ONE of the jokes was funny... And I really want to kill Marlon Wayans in real life, after that movie and Dungeons and Dragons... Uhhh... Choke him slowly, then stuff his head into the toilet, hear him gurgle in excrements, and yell "This is for Scary Movie!!! And this is for D&D!!!"...

Umm.... I feel so much better now!
 
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Zadok001

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I find most semi-serious crossed between horror and comedy fit my tastes brilliant - Evil Dead is a case in point, I _loved_ that series. :) Unfortunately, Scary Movie felt almost like a porno trying to be PG-13, which just seemed rather twisted in my view. Oh, well.

American Psycho is a recent favorite of mine. Despite the standard overload on blood and guts, it had a unique viewpoint and an interesting overrunning style. Some sequences felt tagged on, and a lot seemed horrendously unreal, but I can live with that in a movie that's undefined between reality and imagination. Good, and worth seeing if you can handle gore and some silly scenes.

Saw Cube sitting on the rack at the video store when we rented Final Destination (the ending of which made up for a lot - As it turns out, my girlfriend and I gave up right when the gore ended). I'll have to see it, I guess.

(And thanks for the warning against Urban Legend. That was my next try. :) )
 
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Salacious Crumb

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Well, i've never really cared for horror movies. In my opinion, every horror movie is crap. I only like comedy or sci-fi.

Hoipa
 
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Dementia

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Before I start analizing you Zodak I'll just tell ya I agree with ya. Scream sucked. I Know What BLAH BLAH BLAH Summer sucked. The sequel to I BLAH BLAH BLAH Summer is just sad, and all who awaited it eagerly should prolly be kicked square in the throat. And most other "blockbuster" piece o craps suck.

But could it be not so much that the movies have changed? Maybe you have. I'll admit that they in general they are crappier, but a lot of it is prolly just that as you get older a movie just don't seem as scary/freaky. You start seeing through all the crap and it's hard to fool ya. Are ya telling me that you watch Freddy or Jason movies now and are freaked by um? No way.

Stuff like the Sixth Sense is freaky cause it's really bordering on the truth, and that's what it takes to interest old guys;).

So, what's the solution? Be depressed that your getting old I guess:(

I would recomend Stephen King movies:) The Stand is really good and so is IT. I guess if ya wanna be cynical IT may seem a little cheesy, but I still love it. And Landkiller is right. Night Flier bit the big one. Don't judge all King movies on it though! I am still trying to figure out why they made that piece of crap into a movie....it wasn't even a good story!!!!
 

Spiderman

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a lot of it is prolly just that as you get older a movie just don't seem as scary/freaky.
This is probably true. I remember seeing the beginning of Children of the Corn when I was around 10 and it was freaky... I haven't watched it since but I might be able to handle it now :)
 
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Zadok001

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Well, I still find a lot of Hitchcock's films scary. The Birds is still fairly freaky, even if it is horrendously out-of-date.
 
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Azreal the Soulmaster

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i always like the poltergeist movies, not because they were scary, because they weren't, but because they are just weird.
 
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