Originally posted by Spiderman
I probably did and I probably forgot it. 
You probably need to refresh me or point me back to your answer.
It doesn't make your arguments invalid but it makes for some seemingly inconsistency when I read your stuff. It gives me the mindset that you want to "have your cake and eat it too", that it doesn't bother you when you like certain cards (or their age) while you seem to have a prejudice against cards from newer sets and when they're played against you (I'm thinking of Storm specifically here since you mentioned before that you disliked the mechanic). Hence, you make sweeping generalizations about newer sets that get misinterpreted (like this current "broken" discussion). Obviously you can have your personal likes and dislikes, but in this case, it just doesn't seem to make sense to me. It's like your trying to argue a card's merits based on personal preference instead of what's good for the game overall (and maybe that's your intent anyway).
To me, if you don't care about the B/R list yet are arguing about it anyway, it just seems like a waste of time, at least on your part But perhaps you like the exercise, I don't know...
Spiderman, fair enough. I do care about "the lists." Well, I care about the restricted list for Type I, because I want to actually play that format, but my awesome deck (the Ultimate Rectal Agony deck) isn't finished. I also care about the new format, since it's the best thing since sliced pizza. I tend NOT to care at all about any format with a rotating card pool. You might have gotten the impression that I don't care about Type I either, because I've posted and commented on decks which are not legal in the format, but Type I is actually my favorite format and I playtest it quite a bit. Anyway, I ALSO do happen to be the sort of person who would argue about something he doesn't care about...
Anyway, I think that cards can be broken without being restricted in Type I. Necropotence went unrestricted, for example, for quite some time. Was it not broken then, even though it is now? No, and it was restricted because of this. I think that any card that is banned or restricted in a format OR is a potent, metagame-affecting card could be called broken in that format.
That does mean that the more limited the card pool is, the lower the threshold fora card to be broken...
Psychatog is broken because it was only recently the basis for a tier 1 deck in T1. Mana Drain won't be restricted, but it sure is broken (by my definition). Trinket Mage is no Mana Drain, but it is broken because it acts as a rather potent tutor and has been used as a key card in a powerful deck.
All of the cards in the post, um, that I made before my last one, are ones that I consider broken. They're not all equally broken, obviously...
But, in my very humble (don't say anything, SeFRo, I know what you're thinking, smart aleck) opinion, those cards are broken. I don't know that that's necessarily a bad thing. Broken cards have always been part of the game, after all...
If you want to debate the brokenness of any items on the list (in the post before my last one, not the one where I listed WINTERMOON MESA!) I would not mind doing so...
To begin with, you asked about the fetchlands. In particular, I'm referring to Flooded Strand and the almighty Polluted Delta. The other ones aren't lightweights either, but Train would be happy to tell you why those two are the dangerous ones. They act as deck-thinning, improve mana bases, have synergy with dual lands, and are library shufflers. They have completely revolutionized most control decks in Type I. When I first saw them, they didn't sem impressive, but look at how many decks in Type I run fetchlands. And are those decks better than before? You bet. The effect is not as profound as something like Necropotence, but is more akin to Dark Ritual, a card that is just plain good and fits into a broad spectrum of decks. I consider Dark Ritual to be broken and I consider fetchlands to be broken as well, although not in the same way as Necropotence or, say Trinket Mage. If you think that Dark Ritual is not broken, then it is a difference in terminology that we have (i.e. you consider only "bomb" cards to be broken whilst I consider any exceptionally powerful cards to be broken, even though they are only really enhancing the bomb cards and not dealing killing ending the games in and of themselves).
