Yavimaya Elder and the stack

Discussion in 'Rules Questions' started by Killer Joe, Jun 23, 2008.

  1. Killer Joe Active Member

    Yavimaya Elder

    So I pay the {2} and sac the elder to do this: draw a card

    When the elder hits the graveyard the trigger ability goes to the stack, then I do it and THEN draw the card, right?
  2. BigBlue Magic Jones

    (we'll assume an empty stack - since it doesn't matter as these will resolve before you get to any other items before it on the stack)

    Action (Stack)

    Sac Elder to draw a card, (Draw a Card)
    Elder goes to gy, which triggers gy effect (Draw a Card, Library Search)

    Assuming nothing else happens, yes, Library search will happen before drawing a card... I don't think anything can happen in between those either - because sac is payment and triggered ability comes from it hitting gy... but someone could put something on top of it... I don't think there's any way to insert something in between them in the stack either... unless they've added some bizarre instant.
  3. Mooseman Isengar Tussle

    Well done BB.
    The only thing that could "get" between the two is if another ability was triggered by the Elder hitting the stack and then triggers go on the stack....
  4. Killer Joe Active Member

    knew that, I was justing checking!
    Thanks guys.

    To Moosie: Blue Rules?
  5. BigBlue Magic Jones

    If there is a replacement effect:

    "When a permanent goes to the Graveyard from play, remove it from the game instead."

    Is that a "triggered" effect?
  6. Spiderman CPA Man in Tights, Dopey Administrative Assistant

    I don't think so, it's just a replacement effect. So any permanent going to the graveyard goes to the removed from game zone instead, as if the card text said "When ~ is removed from game". So any graveyard effects wouldn't trigger but removed from game effects DO trigger.
  7. BigBlue Magic Jones

    That's what I thought...

    I was just checking...
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