Discussion in 'General CPA Stuff' started by Spiderman, Mar 19, 2007.
Mark's article today
I didn't really doubt it, but posting just because it's always slow here...
I was hoping for a link to the main site, myself, when I saw that heading.
Why the main site when it's Mark who's saying it?
I think orgg means our main site: the CPA!
Yeah, but look at how many active members/activity we have... linking to our site might give people the impression that casual Magic is pretty dead
It might *give* us traffic though...
What he's saying is true. It's not like they can offer the same things to casual players that they can with competitive tournament players. But where did he get this "myth" in the first place?
It's probably the impression he gets from countless emails and observations and statements made to him from players...
That would be nice, but for the most part WotC's been ignoring our requests for afiliation (or at least a link) for some time. Sure, we've actually been mentionned in a couple of articles and we've (when I say "we", I mean TheOrggg) even interviewed some of the biggest names in the game, but in the end The CPA is not that important...
...just like the Casual Player...
Who's been making the requests, to whom at WOTC, and how often?
If you're saying WOTC is ignoring the CPA and "the casual player" (which again I think is a bit misleading since look at how many active members we've had compared to how many Magic players there are), I think it's we who dropped the ball. Yeah, orgg interviewed some big names and we may have gotten some traffic due to it, but did we ever do anything with those new members? Have some sort of continuing mission or drive going? Organize anything and kept the momentum? I would say not... so really, the CPA doesn't really warrant any attention from WOTC, in my opinion. Why would they consider us when there's plenty of other Magic sites who probably have more active users and voices and probably have a good casual presence, even if it doesn't explicitly say so in their name. Heck, WOTC's own Magic forums probably qualify as such...
FNM is T2 competetive in just about every place I've seen, not casual.
Spidey, this place turned into a coffee house for casual gamers about 6 years ago, and none of the founding members wanted to keep that from happening at that time, IIRC. To try and change anything now, I think, would be futile, if you could even find an issue to try and rally support behind in the first place. Honestly, can you think of anything that's wrong with the game right now, aside from the fact that only a handful of us still play it on a regular basis? Anything at all that we could all say needs to be fixed?
I doubt it...
You misunderstand (I think).
From what I'm reading, Ferret has been saying that WOTC's been ignoring us, meaning the site and I guess casual players in general.
I'm saying that we, as a site, have done nothing really to warrant WOTC's attention in the first place and despite our name, are not truly representive of any casual voice, at least enough to be paid attention to, and that there are other sites who probably better represent any casual voice.
I'm not trying to change this place right now. If others want to, they're welcome to. But let's not fool ourselves into thinking that we're "deserved" something from WOTC when we're really not.
That's all I was trying to say.
WotC has definitely abandoned casual players in mainstream and promotes sales of T2 product more religioiusly.
I mean, come on WotC, saying that you approve of FNM T2 is about as bad as saying "we only run T2 in all our mainstream tournaments." Well jumping gee horsey parts, why not? Why can't we just open the frellin' doors to these kids who have decks made up of five or ten sets that don't have any real cohesion... why not let the ****s'n giggles players in and have a more casual experience?
Here's an idea: Get creative and toss together another one of them "collectors" sets only this time put it in as a "tournament" set? We'll make it one set made up of three sets and run with that. You get your bloody product pushing and we get some hillarious and mind blowing fun. Guess what WotC.... YOU SEE THIS HAPPENING WITH FUTURE SIGHT!
Well, I know that I was sending them requests every three or four months (this was about three years or so ago) and I know that do acknowledge our presence because we've been mentionned in one or two articles...
I also recall in the early days that there was someone from WotC that used to monitor the Dojo's forums saying that she was "watching the formation of the CPA", but also mentionned that she wasn't going to actively post (mostly because she didn't want to cause a conflict of interest). They've known we existed all along. They just don't care.
The same can be said for their general attitude towards Casual Players in general. Sure, we represent a bulk of their primary market sales, but we're not exactly something you would use as a marketing tool...it's like using street basketball players to promote the NBA...
...although, a "Street Magic" computer game would be cool...imagine the trash talking...
Who were you sending it to? Honestly though, they probably get tons of requests from websites asking to be "linked to". Depending on who you sent it to, they probably just considered your request like any other. Pretty much what we do when we get someone posting "Link to me!"
And I remember that person, but that was like seven years ago. A lot's changed in seven years... namely any relevance the CPA might have had compared to when it started out to now.
I think Mark said it pretty well, especially the Catch-22 they have with FNM.
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